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RyanR

@Adam Lol make Jim from INEOS is in charge?

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AdamA

@nick Do you mean the standard 2% commission? Yes they're definitely still charging that, this is specifically about the premium charge on top of that.

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Greg MitchellG

@Adam Its just a question of holding your nerve during the "oh sh*t!" moments. I have almost conditioned myself not to keep watching it and just check before I go to bed. Certainly helped by having a good start...."it's not my money"

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MartinM

@Tony-Hastie haha

I was recently looking into an NHL Ice Hockey game is Finland and the resale for £60 tickets was something like £1500. Thought I'm just better off spending a bit more and actually going to the US!

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RyanR

@Richard-Latimer This is music to my ears!!!

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Richard LatimerR

@Everyone for anyone who looked at our site and may have been considering one of our prints.

We now have an etsy shop and are running a 20% discount for the next day on selected items.

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Greg MitchellG

@Joseph-Henderson Monmore, Newcastle and Romford.xlsx

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M

@Martin said in NFL Strategies:

@Mr-Emmet-Moorehouse I play a lot in the outrights markets with NFL as game to game can be very unpredictable set and forget.

I like this idea though! Let me know how it gets on!

It needs a bit of research but the basic idea seems reasonable. I'll come back to you after 25 results for an early update.

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RyanR

@Martin I love it but I don't trade it at all sadly, I know that there used to be a cricket trader here who played around with it.

Nothing for me though, it's also a sport that I just want to enjoy instead of looking for angles 😄

Me and the wife love watching the darts at xmas lol

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Simon BatesS

@Mark-Maguire thanks for your informed response, the thing that's stuck in my head since I started all this was the advice on sticking to one strategy and learn the rules of that one before moving onto another, another thing I've learnt is recording absolutely everything, goals, times, ht/ft scores etc, like what you've mentioned in your reply, having all the info to read and looking over it to find patterns then trying to make my own strategy out of my findings, I have numerous spreadsheets of info I've collected from the preset filters, I need to keep on doing this for a bit longer to gather as much as I can then hopefully use it to my advantage .

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Toyin ButlerT

@Adam Thanks for sharing your story, I do fear that I will be just going through the motions before giving it all up to do this full time. Tbh, I think it's just a matter of time. There is so much more to explore 🙂 I will keep you posted.

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J

@Adam said in pre season trading:

@james-everard said in pre season trading:

Interesting for a potential accumulator if you can find a site that has Nat North , find hardly any betting sites go below the conference national which is a shame as i like my non league football. Had a look and can't find any sites

Agreed! Some of the best opportunities for football in the non-league games. Paddy and Coral used to do it and there used to be some Irish bookies that offered them but I can't find them now.

Odds are usually decent as well, faves pretty much always over 1.5 even though they generally win over 70% of the time.

i think i did an accumulator last season with a bookies that went down to Conference South/North level but can''t find anyone this season .

Will look at potential trading nearer to the season start (taking the advice as will know better once most of the transfers have occurred )

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J

Hi Martin - would it be possible to get a copy of your sheet for the Super Late Goals filter? I can't seem to find it on the shared profitable members sheet. Thanks

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?

I used to believe winning the battle each day was the key to being profitable with trading. Turns out you winning the long term war is far more important.

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@Akiva-Anderson You're doing god's work my friend, thank you.

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@james-heathcote-0 Hi James. I came across your post about your automated pre-match scalping (2 years ago). Are you still implementing this? I would love to implement myself if you wouldn't mind sharing? does it take into account the weight of money or anything like that?

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?

@martin Condolences for the troubled times

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@michael-doering

PG= Per Tor
PM= Per Spiel

Durchschnittliche Scoring Time kann man auch in BTC Statistiken finden:
0_1681333269432_61cb067d-6924-4dbc-8a69-8c4dffd02d03-image.png

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RyanR

@conor-medlyn Hey buddy,

I will speak with Martin about this one as it's my strategy but I didn't track it on those sheets, Martin did.

I have been running it since the start all those years ago 16/17 now, which is scary. It's always been profitable year on year for me hence why I still use it.

It is a riskier long term strategy as the losses hurt more because of laying.

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    I learn from my own wisdom LOL

    I will use the 12-minute mark entering for trade as Each Day 10
    But not Scalp/Trade 5/6 min mark for 10% return.

    I will test the whole 10 min or when reaching the goal of 20% return.
    If possible, I will simulate this today with odds 3,5 to 4,8.
    With back-dripping to reduce overall loss ratio, the excellent pendulum effect is achieved.

    What is the point - well, this is the point.
    Most goals peak statistically at and after the 15-minute mark.
    And also read that peaks of goals around the 30 to 45 min mark.
    Hey, why 0-0 price drop dramatically - market behaviour.

    So instead of 10 to 20 min mark with odds 3 to 4 and back-dripping for 10% i will try do the exact same with the following difference where market and traders overall think differently.

    To achieve 20% return with the same methodology.
    What is the mechanism that triggers this higher return.
    Markets' expectation at 12 min mark to 22 min mark - goal wise -
    Markets odds - expectation wise - 3,5 to 4.8 to lay.

    That is the theoretical framework for stronger time-decay and drifting price movement against the market's expectation.
    The in-play indicators are a key factor here to get a tendency towards matchreading for the present attack mode, tempomode or active/slow or low/high likelihood for goal attempts.

    With this saying also mention that one loss with original gave higher loss ration then 1 in 5 with one past trade with this parameters.
    But that situation was from the original setup - so potential 20% return and back-dripping I might get around 1 in 4 or less.
    That the simulation and real-life trading will tell.

    But with a higher liquidity game, I will stick to my original plan.
    In lower liquidity games, I will test this out with 10£ trades.
    So explore the possibility and see how well my educated guess or framework comes true with real-time stats from live trading.

    Cheers

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    @Adam Lol make Jim from INEOS is in charge?

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    @Adam Its just a question of holding your nerve during the "oh sh*t!" moments. I have almost conditioned myself not to keep watching it and just check before I go to bed. Certainly helped by having a good start...."it's not my money"

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    I was recently looking into an NHL Ice Hockey game is Finland and the resale for £60 tickets was something like £1500. Thought I'm just better off spending a bit more and actually going to the US!

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    @Martin said in NFL Strategies:

    @Mr-Emmet-Moorehouse I play a lot in the outrights markets with NFL as game to game can be very unpredictable set and forget.

    I like this idea though! Let me know how it gets on!

    It needs a bit of research but the basic idea seems reasonable. I'll come back to you after 25 results for an early update.

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    @Martin I love it but I don't trade it at all sadly, I know that there used to be a cricket trader here who played around with it.

    Nothing for me though, it's also a sport that I just want to enjoy instead of looking for angles 😄

    Me and the wife love watching the darts at xmas lol

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    @Adam Thanks for sharing your story, I do fear that I will be just going through the motions before giving it all up to do this full time. Tbh, I think it's just a matter of time. There is so much more to explore 🙂 I will keep you posted.

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    @Adam said in pre season trading:

    @james-everard said in pre season trading:

    Interesting for a potential accumulator if you can find a site that has Nat North , find hardly any betting sites go below the conference national which is a shame as i like my non league football. Had a look and can't find any sites

    Agreed! Some of the best opportunities for football in the non-league games. Paddy and Coral used to do it and there used to be some Irish bookies that offered them but I can't find them now.

    Odds are usually decent as well, faves pretty much always over 1.5 even though they generally win over 70% of the time.

    i think i did an accumulator last season with a bookies that went down to Conference South/North level but can''t find anyone this season .

    Will look at potential trading nearer to the season start (taking the advice as will know better once most of the transfers have occurred )

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    Hi Martin - would it be possible to get a copy of your sheet for the Super Late Goals filter? I can't seem to find it on the shared profitable members sheet. Thanks

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    I used to believe winning the battle each day was the key to being profitable with trading. Turns out you winning the long term war is far more important.

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    @james-heathcote-0 Hi James. I came across your post about your automated pre-match scalping (2 years ago). Are you still implementing this? I would love to implement myself if you wouldn't mind sharing? does it take into account the weight of money or anything like that?

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    PG= Per Tor
    PM= Per Spiel

    Durchschnittliche Scoring Time kann man auch in BTC Statistiken finden:
    0_1681333269432_61cb067d-6924-4dbc-8a69-8c4dffd02d03-image.png

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    @conor-medlyn Hey buddy,

    I will speak with Martin about this one as it's my strategy but I didn't track it on those sheets, Martin did.

    I have been running it since the start all those years ago 16/17 now, which is scary. It's always been profitable year on year for me hence why I still use it.

    It is a riskier long term strategy as the losses hurt more because of laying.

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