@Najib-Bakhat tagging you as this is the thread that the podcast originated from

@Wayne-Thomas said in Bet Angel Automation Thread:

@tony-hastie I think you're right about the clear cut favourite at 75mins. I don't see this automation working consistently at 60 minutes.

I have created one this afternoon that fired correctly on all the Championship games. The timings can be adjusted to suit your needs and don't forget to change the staking - it is set to £10 liability at the moment. Needs to be applied to the correct score market.

It relies on weight of money conditions so may go awry if the liquidity is low. Best used on more high profile leagues for the moment. I'm planning on testing some smaller leagues later today.

As always with automation, make sure to test with small stakes or better still in practice mode to make sure you're happy with how it performs. It has only had limited testing.

Let me know how it goes.

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@Wayne-Thomas Im putting this bot back into production to lay HT score. Just wondering... if I only wanted to lay 0-0, 0-1, 1-0 or 1-1 would it be as simple as deleting all the other rules that arent those scores?

@Patrik-Mellqvist ok so you have completely different filters that is why the selections you expect are not showing.

'H2 over 0.5' means over 0.5 in the second half (either team in the match could score)
'Scored' means the specific team would have to have scored, not either team in the match, so much less chance a team scores 60% of the time, than either team scores 20%.

You need to use the same metric for both filters if you want to get the matches pop up on both. So for example you can choose 'Home' 'Scored in H2' rather than 'H2 over 0.5'.

Hope that makes sense.

@Adam said in Previos default setting stats software versus criteria matches played:

@Patrik-Mellqvist said in Previos default setting stats software versus criteria matches played:

is it current season played matches that are or are 4 and 3 and that would be logical?

Yes, you're filtering on current season.

@Patrik-Mellqvist said in Previos default setting stats software versus criteria matches played:

And I don't want that.

You either have this selected...
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Or this...
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De-select as required.

@Patrik-Mellqvist said in Previos default setting stats software versus criteria matches played:

With GPT chat you can do it all - learn to speak a new languish or educate your self with no before hand knowledge the only limit is yourself.

ChatGPT is great, but I couldn't disagree more about not needing prior knowledge, especially when it comes to anything to do with figures, stats, programming etc.

The hallucination problem is pretty severe at the moment. Regarding programming, it will basically make up code that doesn't work. If you ask it for football results, it can make up incorrect scores, and if you give it a maths challenge it will fail at basic maths, especially where algebra is concerned.

It does this because it's just trying to give an answer that "feels right" linguistically.

So be careful!

Okay Adam I understand and I notice errors in that area and double check and repeat task with modifications and very clear instructions - reason to my conclusion is that I have tested your Ranking System with your games and same with Pouncebet and there PBI and my values match.

Cheers

@Patrik-Mellqvist great work, how has the comeback rating strategy been going so far?

@Patrik-Mellqvist hi mate, for league position % you need to select:

'Home (or away)' 'Percentage' 'League % from Top'

Then when you select % I would go for 'less than' then choose what position you want then to be.

So for example if I want to see 'top half home teams'

I would choose: 'less than or equal to' '50'(%)Screenshot (589).png

@Patrik-Mellqvist if you are testing a strategy you can rename the columns in your spreadsheet and download the strategy individually if that makes it easier.

I just export all then add selections to different pages on my mastersheet, like I say once it's renamed once you are sorted and now all I do is copy over data each day, don't have to worry about column names.

@Patrik-Mellqvist Yes those stats exist; check the "H2H Overall" section of the filters.

Examples:

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@Patrik-Mellqvist this section works for that, then you could keep everything in one thread and it would be easier to follow and respond to questions also 🙂

@Patrik-Mellqvist I knew a trader who did very well trading this time period as well in matches, just to add to this chat.

His goal was to make £10 a day and he ended up making a lot more than that.

@Alex-Rendell said in Criteria settings!:

I think the main thing is to be as consistent with your approach as possible, and don't over complicate things!

Agree with this.

Also, the odds you're taking are obviously the major contributor to the profit or loss you're making, so if you've determined what odds you need and they're not there, skip that trade or place a speculative bet at the odds you want and hope they come within your threshold!

I reckon there are different ways to develop and work the playing model.
When you are in the stock market you have certain tools to test your idea or approach.
Stock traders use simulation software to test their trading model on fictive but realistic price movements that are identical to real-world data.
That way they don’t waste learning money or take unnecessary risks.
You can also find trading angles that give a long-term positive return on investment.

Is the same as the exchange

And today I made a decision.
I will use some out-of-the-box proven-to-work solutions that are being offered.
And develop my own on various statistical assumptions.

I like the idea of Richard’s method. I will turnaround and develop value or what I estimate and decide to have true value after some raw testing with around 500 placed trades into simulation software.
And the high light is a raw test and now is the time to fine-tune and tailor the trading approach and do another 500 placed trades into the simulation software.

Want to make a point here, that creating a painting requires good basic and introduction preparation to get and good and solid final result.
So the preparation process is crucial before starting the time-consuming simulation process.

First I play around with some parameters and have to solve some trading angles to get the most out of the simulation process.
I use TIME VALUE and not COMBACK VALUE but in the end both are the same thing and equally effective based on my raw test simulation that gave me a true edge.
So the part I will explore now before continuing this topic is the relay part and where to best get value if the score goes 1-2 after the U-dog has been leading by +2 goals.
I see it as a second change to an very low price and that screams risk mitigation and I love that word.

Will update soon …

@Patrik-Mellqvist said in Help to solve some filter options settings!:

But with the options, I get ALL GOALS made between the time options and I want to know that 1 goal has been made for each game of the previous five, not the total percentage or total amount.

Use the "Scored in...." / "Conceded in..." stats instead of the goal times, e.g.:

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This will give you the number of matches with a goal, instead of the total goals.

@Patrik-Mellqvist I tend to agree with Adam, but I think as long as you're consistent in your approach and only take all trades/bets provided at a set time each day, then you wont go far wrong. The issue comes when you're checking for an updated set of trades every hour and notice new ones popping up and old ones disappearing. That's my view anyway, for what it's worth!

@Martin thanks👍

@GREGORIOS-KARASHIALIS you could look for strong ELO teams that score lots of first half goals? You won't get any filter that 'always' home team goes 1-0 up but you may get one that does it often.

@Martin no worries it’s something I can check manually pain in arse on weekends mind lol

I cannot sadly as I stopped trading that strategy, the reason being is that I went all in on automation and turned off everything else.

So I wish I could help but I haven't tracked it. But I like the thinking that you have there, that's key to becoming a profitable trader taking an idea and putting your own spin on it!

You will be able to backtest that when the footie backtesting is done! 😄

@Alex-Rendell Thanks for this, I'll have a look. Yes, I agree, there isn't a magic stat or strategy and it is all about taking good value - bottom line.

Regarding my post, it was just me being curious, there hasn't been a lot of football to trade recently so I've decided to do some testing. I personally like the idea of knowing as much as possible about the markets I trade. With markets changing all the time, I personally see testing as a good way to stay on top of my trading and to keep biases, opinions and assumptions at bay - all about data.

Thanks for your feedback, as I said I'll have a look at FTS, the name rings a bell.

Nick