That's interesting ... VPN required though guys!

@ryan-carruthers I think I will try paper trading a few other sports as a break from the horses

@neil-mallett Thought that might be the case as not to blend the banks. I wonder if any of the challenger exchanges could get you good odds then you'd not worry about being restricted.

I’ve had this for around 6 months! Since I stopped matched betting a couple years ago my cash race targets etc plummeted so straight onto that 2% commission for me! 👍

@Keith-Anderson is great on the A-League!

It is fine if you are new to it but after a couple of years (probably about 6 months nowadays) it gets as dry as the Gobi desert!

Unless you want to spin thousands of pounds on casino offers, which can get pretty demoralising and very expensive when you have a serious downturn.

Hi Gary. Acorns is Little Acorns, it's a horse laying service that concentrates on odds on favourites. It is a good idea to follow it if you are just starting out. The PDF for the criteria and results are on my resources page. You can find this in the horse racing section of the trading discussion.

SofaScore will give you the added time, B365 also.

Many thanks for clearing that up much appreciated.

@martin-futter I intended to Lay Hamilton before I knew it was raining, the reason for that was the short run to the first corner with Max alongside. I was expecting a possible contact in that first corner, not a major impact but enough to slow them down and possibly let Bottas through to the lead or Max getting the better run away from the contact, something he often does. After that initial contact, if it happened that is, I intended to trade out right away. If no contact or overtake, I could see a likely change of lead at some point in the first half of the race even if only temporary through the pit stops. You can boil this all down to one thing - I didn't expect Hamilton to get the win easily. I expected a decent fight & thought it would be enough to get a decent trade.

Then it rained, screwing up my expectations but increasing the chances of a good scrap. Hamilton is good in the wet but so is Max. This new short track (ruined) layout in Germany has been decent for overtakes & is tough in the wet, I thought there was a very high chance of spins, crashes & overtakes and it delivered plenty.

Hamiltons lay SP was odds on, which seemed good value to me given the circumstances. The big thing I missed was the superb performance from Vettel, I really didn't expect that, he had to overtake so many cars, I thought he would definitely go off the circuit or spin at some point but he drove like the Vettel of old. He would have been a very good B2L.

Next race will likely be back to normal with a 1-2 qual from the mercs, 3,4,5 & 6 the red cars and red bulls.
I should just point out that with hindsight, I got lucky with the lay of Hamilton, the team cocked up his race and all of his troubles were down to that wrong tyre choice, if he'd refused to go onto slicks, which was his instinct, he would almost certainly have been on the podium & likely on the top step. I stick by my decision to lay though.

@michael-higginbottom said in Lay Betting.:

Trying to get my head around the lay betting, I thought I understood it but can you please help me to understand. You back higher than you lay, so I put £10 on a golfer backed at 40.00 and layed him at £10 at 10.00 & he came joint second so I got £10 back? I just can’t see the point in laying if you just get your money back?

Good pick by the way! Shame you didn't make it pay. I'll explain it here:

So you backed a player to win because he came second you did not win that bet. However, as you layed the £10 stake back at much lower odds you got your money back as that lay bet won.

When you lay at shorter odds than you back you must lay a bigger stake than you used for the back bet to make money.

So in the example above you should have layed £40 at 10.0, in this case you would have made £30 profit no matter what happened.

@keith-anderson Thanks

@richard-latimer getting on this now then!

Cheers everyone for your help. I've managed to sort it now.

@paul-woloszyn Yep!!

You can always plug and iPad in? there's apps that allow you to share the iPad as an extra screen

Hi Rupen,

I am going back many years, a few years after the start of Betfair, I saw an add How To Trade On Betfair, it was in our local paper was a 4 hour course £50 and @40 miles away, in Northumberland, I give it ago, but when I got there it was one of those places with an almost live feed to the racing tracks, and football games, this place was a state of the art trading platform, out in the middle of nowhere it was all about betting in running,and in those days they probably had a 5 second advantage on the population, I was taught how and when to lay in running on the horses, and how to scalp on a live football game inplay, but only when the ball was either out of play, free kicks ,goal kicks throw inns, anything that held the game up, their money was in, and pulled out during actual play, I think the idea of my course was to attract a couple of new players for the hire of the seats and pc', I did enjoy it and if I had lived nearer I would probably have give it a go, although without a live feed, the knowlege I learned was no good at all. gl.

@ryan-carruthers said in Excel problem:

@Richard-Latimer @John-Folan are pretty good with these!

I only really do the basics sorry.