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[John Folan]

This picture puts it in context. Look at the last column. In the UK currently 20 people per million people are infected.

[John Folan]

@martin-futter said in Off Topic Thread:

The media loves to scaremonger, we know the at risk groups over 60's with serious underlying medical conditions, and if you are in that then I do understand a bit of panic.

Otherwise I think the political reaction has been more out of a fear of criticism than an actual need. Things seem OK outside on the street, not much has changed up here in Wigan from what I have seen.

I’m with you. People are idiots. I’ve just had to go on a hunt for bloody toilet rolls (As was down to last three) because people are basically looting the supermarkets. I found some in a little corner shop and bought three packets of four and have come home and given one packet to my elderly neighbour along with some other bits so she doesn’t run out and kept two for ourselves. The shop had another 15-20 packs so I didn’t feel bad.

I don’t agree with the mass panic and the Twitter twats shouting and screaming about shutting everything down because they want a couple of weeks off Uni/school/work. The government is acting in a calm and sensible way at the moment and I feel more confident in them that some plonker like Rory Stewart going on about shutting everything because it worked 100 f*****g years ago.

This panic is being driven by the media and utter morons on social media. It isn’t great for a lot of people if they get Covid 19, but the mass hysteria will just make it worse.

Rant Over

[Richard Latimer]

@charles-cartwright said in Off Topic Thread:

Good to know if true and I understand you can't tell me where but am I to believe you're in a position of some importance? Easier to take something you're told which contradicts everything else if you know it's from someone in the know.

All we see is dystopian lock downs and numbers of the dieing going through the roof on a daily basis.

It is not from a position of 'importance' but one of 'knowledge'. Most, if not all, of my friends and colleagues who work directly in the field of infectious disease, virology and epidemiology are appalled by how this has got completely out of control (the response and not the virus) and now it is more about defending these ludicrous lockdowns and isolation practices than actually openly admitting that there is not a shred of evidence to support that this is (a) necessary/desirable and (b) if necessary will actually be successful.

What, of course, is also lost in all this mass hysteria is that there are millions of people who need medical care every day for things that are completely unrelated to viral infection and that literally nobody is paying any attention to them and the collateral damage that this obsession with coronavirus will cause.

With regard to the reporting of numbers of cases, without any context this also seems alarming to most lay people. The simple fact is that in any given winter season a number of respiratory viruses circulate in populations (including several coronaviruses) and they do have an impact on mortality in elderly and immunologically compromised populations. There is nothing in the numbers here that suggest that this virus is behaving in any way differently than several others, including influenza, and if this same event had occurred 20 years ago we almost certainly would have simply attributed the increase in flu-like illness and mortality to a worse than normal influenza season.

Finally, the fact that the virus does not result in significant morbidity/mortality in younger populations is an extremely positive sign. This would suggest that exposure to other coronaviruses probably does result in some level of immunological protection from CoVid-19 and that, unlike SARS or 2009-H1N1 the virus does not cause an 'immune storm' in infected individuals that is typically required for these viruses to cause a major impact in healthy individuals.

Sorry if that was way to sciency and so far off topic to be ludicrous in a trading forum!

Nice to have a bit of positive news for a change and also good that it's backed up by logic. Here's hoping.

[Martin]

The media loves to scaremonger, we know the at risk groups over 60's with serious underlying medical conditions, and if you are in that then I do understand a bit of panic.

Otherwise I think the political reaction has been more out of a fear of criticism than an actual need. Things seem OK outside on the street, not much has changed up here in Wigan from what I have seen.

[A Former User]

Good to know if true and I understand you can't tell me where but am I to believe you're in a position of some importance? Easier to take something you're told which contradicts everything else if you know it's from someone in the know.

All we see is dystopian lock downs and numbers of the dieing going through the roof on a daily basis.

It is not from a position of 'importance' but one of 'knowledge'. Most, if not all, of my friends and colleagues who work directly in the field of infectious disease, virology and epidemiology are appalled by how this has got completely out of control (the response and not the virus) and now it is more about defending these ludicrous lockdowns and isolation practices than actually openly admitting that there is not a shred of evidence to support that this is (a) necessary/desirable and (b) if necessary will actually be successful.

What, of course, is also lost in all this mass hysteria is that there are millions of people who need medical care every day for things that are completely unrelated to viral infection and that literally nobody is paying any attention to them and the collateral damage that this obsession with coronavirus will cause.

With regard to the reporting of numbers of cases, without any context this also seems alarming to most lay people. The simple fact is that in any given winter season a number of respiratory viruses circulate in populations (including several coronaviruses) and they do have an impact on mortality in elderly and immunologically compromised populations. There is nothing in the numbers here that suggest that this virus is behaving in any way differently than several others, including influenza, and if this same event had occurred 20 years ago we almost certainly would have simply attributed the increase in flu-like illness and mortality to a worse than normal influenza season.

Finally, the fact that the virus does not result in significant morbidity/mortality in younger populations is an extremely positive sign. This would suggest that exposure to other coronaviruses probably does result in some level of immunological protection from CoVid-19 and that, unlike SARS or 2009-H1N1 the virus does not cause an 'immune storm' in infected individuals that is typically required for these viruses to cause a major impact in healthy individuals.

Sorry if that was way to sciency and so far off topic to be ludicrous in a trading forum!

[Ryan]

@john-folan Same!

[Richard Latimer]

That last report was from a leaked medical document in the guardian by the way.

[Richard Latimer]

@charles-cartwright said in Off Topic Thread:

@richard-latimer said in Off Topic Thread:

Latest reports are just getting worse and worse. Life appears to have gone from one with possibilities and potential for fun to one of solitude, poverty and basically breathing for the foreseeable.

Latest dates given are Spring 2021 although we may get a slight reprieve in the summer.

7.6 million infected with 500k dead

Richard:

Wherever you are reading this nonsense I suggest you stop. The psychological impacts of stress and fear will cause way more human misery than this virus.

I can't share in public all the things that I know about what is going on but I can tell you that ALL organizations involved in this are politically motivated and that sadly self-interest is driving the hyperbolic nonsense regarding the ultimate outcome.

C

Good to know if true and I understand you can't tell me where but am I to believe you're in a position of some importance? Easier to take something you're told which contradicts everything else if you know it's from someone in the know.

All we see is dystopian lock downs and numbers of the dieing going through the roof on a daily basis.

[A Former User]

@richard-latimer said in Off Topic Thread:

Latest reports are just getting worse and worse. Life appears to have gone from one with possibilities and potential for fun to one of solitude, poverty and basically breathing for the foreseeable.

Latest dates given are Spring 2021 although we may get a slight reprieve in the summer.

7.6 million infected with 500k dead

Richard:

Wherever you are reading this nonsense I suggest you stop. The psychological impacts of stress and fear will cause way more human misery than this virus.

I can't share in public all the things that I know about what is going on but I can tell you that ALL organizations involved in this are politically motivated and that sadly self-interest is driving the hyperbolic nonsense regarding the ultimate outcome.

C

[John Folan]

@ryan-carruthers said in Off Topic Thread:

@john-folan We will end up in a rogue player one style life?!

As much as I liked the film I will pass lol

[Ryan]

@john-folan We will end up in a rogue player one style life?!

[John Folan]

@richard-latimer said in Off Topic Thread:

@john-folan said in Off Topic Thread:

@richard-latimer said in Off Topic Thread:

Latest reports are just getting worse and worse. Life appears to have gone from one with possibilities and potential for fun to one of solitude, poverty and basically breathing for the foreseeable.

Latest dates given are Spring 2021 although we may get a slight reprieve in the summer.

7.6 million infected with 500k dead

I’m going to my happy place

Where is it? I want in haha!

That ideas screwed. The serving girls are all self isolating

[Richard Latimer]

@john-folan said in Off Topic Thread:

@richard-latimer said in Off Topic Thread:

Latest reports are just getting worse and worse. Life appears to have gone from one with possibilities and potential for fun to one of solitude, poverty and basically breathing for the foreseeable.

Latest dates given are Spring 2021 although we may get a slight reprieve in the summer.

7.6 million infected with 500k dead

I’m going to my happy place

Where is it? I want in haha!

[John Folan]

@richard-latimer said in Off Topic Thread:

Latest reports are just getting worse and worse. Life appears to have gone from one with possibilities and potential for fun to one of solitude, poverty and basically breathing for the foreseeable.

Latest dates given are Spring 2021 although we may get a slight reprieve in the summer.

7.6 million infected with 500k dead

I’m going to my happy place

[Richard Latimer]

Latest reports are just getting worse and worse. Life appears to have gone from one with possibilities and potential for fun to one of solitude, poverty and basically breathing for the foreseeable.

Latest dates given are Spring 2021 although we may get a slight reprieve in the summer.

7.6 million infected with 500k dead

[John Folan]

@keith-dow said in Off Topic Thread:

@richard-latimer said in Off Topic Thread:

@john-folan said in Off Topic Thread:

@keith-dow said in Off Topic Thread:

@richard-latimer said in Off Topic Thread:

@keith-dow said in Off Topic Thread:

@john-folan said in Off Topic Thread:

@ryan-carruthers said in Off Topic Thread:

@richard-latimer

Lol it's crazy!! Altered Carbon is good though.

Worth starting a thread where people can recommend stuff?

Altered Carbon is utterly bonkers. Loving it.

On my list to watch. On season 5 of the Blacklist at the moment. Also love The Goldbergs but caught up on that for now.

Anyone tried Sharp Objects? Started the other day but first episode didn't hold my attention and 2nd episode I fell asleep haha!

Stick with Sharp Objects. It takes a few episodes but it's utterly outstanding!

Netflix?

Kodi haha

I saw it on NowTV

I’ll find it somewhere

[A Former User]

@richard-latimer said in Off Topic Thread:

@john-folan said in Off Topic Thread:

@keith-dow said in Off Topic Thread:

@richard-latimer said in Off Topic Thread:

@keith-dow said in Off Topic Thread:

@john-folan said in Off Topic Thread:

@ryan-carruthers said in Off Topic Thread:

@richard-latimer

Lol it's crazy!! Altered Carbon is good though.

Worth starting a thread where people can recommend stuff?

Altered Carbon is utterly bonkers. Loving it.

On my list to watch. On season 5 of the Blacklist at the moment. Also love The Goldbergs but caught up on that for now.

Anyone tried Sharp Objects? Started the other day but first episode didn't hold my attention and 2nd episode I fell asleep haha!

Stick with Sharp Objects. It takes a few episodes but it's utterly outstanding!

Netflix?

Kodi haha

I saw it on NowTV

[Richard Latimer]

@john-folan said in Off Topic Thread:

@keith-dow said in Off Topic Thread:

@richard-latimer said in Off Topic Thread:

@keith-dow said in Off Topic Thread:

@john-folan said in Off Topic Thread:

@ryan-carruthers said in Off Topic Thread:

@richard-latimer

Lol it's crazy!! Altered Carbon is good though.

Worth starting a thread where people can recommend stuff?

Altered Carbon is utterly bonkers. Loving it.

On my list to watch. On season 5 of the Blacklist at the moment. Also love The Goldbergs but caught up on that for now.

Anyone tried Sharp Objects? Started the other day but first episode didn't hold my attention and 2nd episode I fell asleep haha!

Stick with Sharp Objects. It takes a few episodes but it's utterly outstanding!

Netflix?

Kodi haha

[Ryan]

@john-folan yes I watched the stranger too, really clever liked that wasn’t sure when it started.

[John Folan]

@keith-dow said in Off Topic Thread:

@richard-latimer said in Off Topic Thread:

@keith-dow said in Off Topic Thread:

@john-folan said in Off Topic Thread:

@ryan-carruthers said in Off Topic Thread:

@richard-latimer

Lol it's crazy!! Altered Carbon is good though.

Worth starting a thread where people can recommend stuff?

Altered Carbon is utterly bonkers. Loving it.

On my list to watch. On season 5 of the Blacklist at the moment. Also love The Goldbergs but caught up on that for now.

Anyone tried Sharp Objects? Started the other day but first episode didn't hold my attention and 2nd episode I fell asleep haha!

Stick with Sharp Objects. It takes a few episodes but it's utterly outstanding!

Netflix?