The BTC Horse Racing Thread

John Folan

@paul-foster have you tried going in a tick or two lower and reducing the refresh rate to 300ms.

I have moaned about the refresh rates. If they had exchange streaming we would be well away.

Paul Foster

@john-folan said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

@jonathan-jones They all have their limitations. Bet Angel is by far the most comprehensive, but as all my automation is (currently) set and forget I find bfbotmanager more than adequate. I especially like being able to assign each strategy a separate bank with it's own staking programme. Also the fact I can download selections from BTC and then just by changing a couple of headers can import straight into bfbot.

I'm looking at inrunning stuff now and the sheer speed of bet angel (20ms as opposed to 300ms on bfbot), will make it a must have.

I’ve tried a couple of in running strategies with BFBM and it tries to place the correct selection but the hit rate for these getting matched is quite poor. I may look at Bet Angel when my current BFBM licence expires.

John Folan

@ian-parry said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

@john-folan said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

I especially like being able to assign each strategy a separate bank with it's own staking programme.

So does BfBotManager keep track of the results too? Is it smart enough to adjust the stake based on the results of the strategy?

Yes and yes is the simple answer.

Kevin Pepper

@jonathan-jones said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

@darryll said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

@john-folan @jonathan-jones thank you for your comments.

I'm just wondering jonathan how you find fairbot for set and forget strategies? Is it the same as per your previous comments or are they related to more complex strategies?

Depends on yor set and forget. If you can do a strat that applies to all and has generic criteria (so odds range, row position etc) then its very simple. Even set and forget can have complex criteria and only apply to some horses. This can still be a pain as you would need to create a generic strategy with cloned rules that select the runner at runtime. Thats a pain on a big race day and itrs pretty error prone.

Best thing to do is download a copy and try it (think you get 10 days). If you have any issues on how to do something just post on here and i will try to help.

I'd echo Jonathan's comments. Fairbot does pretty much what I need covering various set and forget approaches.
The support is very good, if you can't work out how to do something they're quick to respond and potentially build the strategy rules for you.
They are meant to be adding in plays stats over the next few months which will be very interesting..
K

Ian Parry

@john-folan said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

I especially like being able to assign each strategy a separate bank with it's own staking programme.

So does BfBotManager keep track of the results too? Is it smart enough to adjust the stake based on the results of the strategy?

Martin

@jonathan-jones this is good info, it may be worth feeding that back to fairbot as I'm sure they would like to figure that stuff out

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@darryll said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

@john-folan @jonathan-jones thank you for your comments.

I'm just wondering jonathan how you find fairbot for set and forget strategies? Is it the same as per your previous comments or are they related to more complex strategies?

Depends on yor set and forget. If you can do a strat that applies to all and has generic criteria (so odds range, row position etc) then its very simple. Even set and forget can have complex criteria and only apply to some horses. This can still be a pain as you would need to create a generic strategy with cloned rules that select the runner at runtime. Thats a pain on a big race day and itrs pretty error prone.

Best thing to do is download a copy and try it (think you get 10 days). If you have any issues on how to do something just post on here and i will try to help.

Darryll

@john-folan @jonathan-jones thank you for your comments.

I'm just wondering jonathan how you find fairbot for set and forget strategies? Is it the same as per your previous comments or are they related to more complex strategies?

John Folan

@jonathan-jones They all have their limitations. Bet Angel is by far the most comprehensive, but as all my automation is (currently) set and forget I find bfbotmanager more than adequate. I especially like being able to assign each strategy a separate bank with it's own staking programme. Also the fact I can download selections from BTC and then just by changing a couple of headers can import straight into bfbot.

I'm looking at inrunning stuff now and the sheer speed of bet angel (20ms as opposed to 300ms on bfbot), will make it a must have.

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@darryll

I use fairbot. I am not 100% sure about it yet. What i will say is customer support are very good. In terms of the automation its a bit of a mixed bag. Some stuff is very flexible but i think you may eventually run into limitations. Its not nearly as comprehensive as bet angel and i have seen a few glitches which have cost me money. They offer a very simple free trial though (you just download it and off you go) so you may as well give it a go.

My pet hates with it so far:
It cant do custom logging (so debugging a misbehaving bot is difficult),
It cant read external data (so loading selections from a spreadsheet etc is not possible (though i have found a way round this).
It cant store varibles for a strategy so you end up doing stuff like putting penny backs at 1000 to mark a selection inplay etc.
Without hacks because of the way you set criteria on a selection it can still take a long andvery error prone time to set up a days worth of selections.

If i could justify the cash for bet angel i would probably switch but this one does for now.

John Folan

Just the two today

Classic Trobs: Dob, Trob or Win if odds are between 3.5-9
NONE

Flat Pace. Back to Win or Place if Win Price is between 2.0-25.0. 4-14 Runners only. Avoid Soft, Heavy and Firm Going
0_1658211803882_FLat Pace.JPG

Slow Horses. Dob any over 6.0. Multiple selections per race are what makes this profitable. Just think Pokemon.
NONE TODAY

I'm also watching these to see how they perform. They are a variation on my Classic Trobs with less filters.
Trob or Win(Not worth Dobbing) any between 2.0-20.0 Near the Off. Traded and won yesterday.
NONE TODAY

John Folan

@darryll never used fairbot. The files on my thread probably only work with Bfbotmanager. I think all the different bots use different file types etc. Probably most can be recreated in whichever bot software you use.

Darryll

@john-folan said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

Everything I do apart from scalping is on a bot now

I can see that you use bfbotmanager from the link in your signature. Did you ever use the free trial at fairbot or have any experience of it? I'm only considering it because it is cheaper and comes recommended by both Ryan and Martin.

I see you have a good number of bots in that thread which I suppose a guy like me could just plug and play. Are those *.gz files only compatible with bfbotmanager?

John Folan

@darryll said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

@john-folan thankfully, that was the only strategy which I was doing. Can I ask if you automate it or trade it manually?

Everything I do apart from scalping is on a bot now

Darryll

@john-folan thankfully, that was the only strategy which I was doing. Can I ask if you automate it or trade it manually?

John Folan

Now joy at all today apart from a short odds lay. Doubt tomorrow will be much better.

Adam

@jonathan-jones said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

Question on One of the properties in the filter: What is the 'Forecast Price Rank'? When is it set? With it saying 'Forecast' i assume its based on something before the race but how long before?

It's based on the Racing Post forecast price (lowest price = rank 1). It will be added as soon as we get the declarations from RP and updated if the forecast price changes (e.g. due to non-runners or something).

John Folan

That said, there is a tad more action than I thought there would be.

Classic Trobs: Dob, Trob or Win if odds are between 3.5-9 Nothing Matched yesterday

Flat Pace. Back to Win or Place if Win Price is between 2.0-25.0. 4-14 Runners only. Avoid Soft, Heavy and Firm Going. Storming Winner yesterday
0_1658132435875_FLat Pace.JPG

Slow Horses. Dob any over 6.0. Multiple selections per race are what makes this profitable. Just think Pokemon.
NONE TODAY

I'm also watching these to see how they perform. They are a variation on my Classic Trobs with less filters.
Trob or Win(Not worth Dobbing) any between 2.0-20.0 Near the Off. Traded and won yesterday.
NONE TODAY

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@keith-driscoll said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

@jonathan-jones The night before It is pretty much correct for picking favs less than 2/1

Cheers. Was wondering when it would be safe to run the filter for the daily qualifiers.

John Folan

Lots of racing cancelled today and tomorrow. Nice they are putting the welfare of the horses first.