BFbotmanager Automation Discussion

Fraser cord

Yeh il give this a go. Il need to set my bot before 8am each day so will run the risk of non runners but hopefully not that often. Hopefully get bets placed almost in line with the software.

With DSLR, was thinking of checking each racecard quickly and if a short odds horse/horses dont meet it (probabaly sitting 3.0 or below at 8am), just avoid that race?

Fraser cord

@daniel-mills ok perfect. Appreciate your help. Yeh im guessing if you set the bot on 20 races a day, chances are only 3 or 4 bets will get placed due to odds.

My problem was I was missing bets on lay beaten fav/pace lays, then 1 loss and suddenly im down. been similar with the football, the strategies where you need 3 or 4 wins per loss having been killing me as if you miss a couple all your profit goes.

With this, its essentially 1 win per loss (almost) so will hopefully even out more.

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@Martin Hi mate, give these a try. All are set to 2% stakes on a £100 bank.

0_1674244195889_BTC Back the Course and Distance.gz

0_1674244199651_BTC Back the Favourite at the off.gz

0_1674244206534_BTC John's Flat Pace Backs.gz

0_1674244211816_BTC John's Pace Lays.gz

John Folan

@fraser-cord said in BFbotmanager Automation Discussion:

@john-folan Cheers

So if the fairbot bot will lay 10 sec before the start between 1.8 to 2.4 thats all i really need? I appreciate DSLR will be impossible to check so may have to do that manually myself.

What i was finding, was downloading all main strats, letting them all run in order of priority (as fairbot can only do 1 per market) but then my results were totally different to the software (unsurprisingly worse). Was similar with the football, got 1 working great, then as i diversified, profit started going down rather than up, yet was putting in way more time.

Short odds lays seems so simple and time efficient in comparison. Yes it will have dips but looks profitable providing I'm getting on the same bets as the software is suggesting

My biggest fear was going at this with an 'inferior bot' so my results again don't match the software.

Do you filter the selections each day other than runners? It looks like what you post is generally the full card for a course

It filters out everything bar runner numbers and DSLR which is impossible to know until we have a good idea of who the favourite is. Usually you can tell early doors but can change sometimes

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@fraser-cord essentially, yeah. You are going to find that selections don't get matched, but thats down to not meeting the criteria more than anything.

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@martin i've got the ones you're missing for the horse member presets, i'll do you a copy when I grab a moment

Fraser cord

@daniel-mills Thanks

Did you use the fairbot Short odds bot before? Time is definetely a big factor for me, was spending way too much and the returns not worth it at all. I have definetely mastered the mechanics of Fairbot so would rather continue vs learn a new way if Fairbot can do what i need it to.

I just want 1 strat that i know matches the software so my selections will be the same, was just so much variation on the others.

So are your bot settings essentially lay between 1.8-2.4 10 sec before if runners match and DSLR matches? Again there were so many exceptions on other strats.
I appreciate you will change bank size/staking but your core rules are just those above?

And you find your selections pretty much mirror the software?

Martin

@martin said in BFbotmanager Automation Discussion:

Does anyone have any more bots for the members filters?

These are the ones I have so far:
1_1674127451143_1672742310493-btc-beaten-favourite-lays-3-15-odds-range-flat-stakes.gz
1_1674127470555_1630406157438-clean-gshg-bot.gz
0_1674127470555_1630317079913-clean-ryans-split-stake.gz
0_1674127451142_1655373592605-clean-short-odds-1.8-2.4-lays.gz

bumping this, trying to get a set for members on all of the different automation softwares

Fraser cord

@john-folan Cheers

So if the fairbot bot will lay 10 sec before the start between 1.8 to 2.4 thats all i really need? I appreciate DSLR will be impossible to check so may have to do that manually myself.

What i was finding, was downloading all main strats, letting them all run in order of priority (as fairbot can only do 1 per market) but then my results were totally different to the software (unsurprisingly worse). Was similar with the football, got 1 working great, then as i diversified, profit started going down rather than up, yet was putting in way more time.

Short odds lays seems so simple and time efficient in comparison. Yes it will have dips but looks profitable providing I'm getting on the same bets as the software is suggesting

My biggest fear was going at this with an 'inferior bot' so my results again don't match the software.

Do you filter the selections each day other than runners? It looks like what you post is generally the full card for a course

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@fraser-cord
I can't speak for the others but if you've got John's short lays set up on Fairbot it might be worth sticking with it a bit longer and only adding one or two strategies at a time if time is a factor. Then you can focus on the ins and outs of that one strategy.

I used Fairbot for just over a year and switched over to BFBM in December. I do think it's better for automation but I've had to put a decent bit of time into learning it and getting a VPS set up cos i'm on a Mac and it's windows only. Getting spreadsheets ready to put into BFBM is also a bit of a faff, but i'm only spending about 20 mins now a day to get tips in.

I'm using the BF bots that have been posted on here but I have edited them to my own personal bank sizes and staking.

edit: Just seen Johns reply - defo the separate banks thing!

John Folan

Sounds sensible. I like a spread of strategies BUT I get them going one at a time. Separate banks for each as well. Massively important that. Then compound.

Ten seconds before official start. Impossible to know the actual until it’s running .

@fraser-cord said in BFbotmanager Automation Discussion:

@john-folan or anyone else who can/is willing to help

I set up my trading bots over xmas, i went with fairbot as it seemed more folk were using it and there were more bots shared as i didnt know where to begin. However a few weeks later, many hours spent and im no further forward profit wise. I was spending so much time each day for little, hence the rain check. Although i accept the risk, the advice of spread your strategies to limit variance just isnt getting it done for me. That's been on the football for the past couple of months and now the horses too. All im finding is more time spent but little or in some cases much more profit gone.

So im thinking of changing plan. Im thinking of just picking a strategy and sticking with it, was just getting all muddled trying to follow many, taking so much time and results never matched the software hence my confidence goes. Feels a little bit like jack of all trades, master of none (no pun intended)

Was going to just stick with the short odds lays, easy to just go with 1 strategy set on the bot for 15 mins in the morning, go to work, and check for 10 mins at night. Many folk are speaking highly of BFBM, seems to allow more functionality than fairbot. So my questions are

Is the entry time 10 sec before the actual start or official start for Short odds lays. If its actual, how does the bot know that (I cant seem to work out how fairbot could do this, how does BFBM?)

Does the version everyone use match the bot on here of have significant personal changes been made (not trying to pinch others hard yards but wouldnt want to dive in knowing the success others are having is down to their bot being significantly different to mine).

Any advice appreciated, i have a bot on fairbot for the short odds lays i can use. However im wondering if a switch to BFBM would keep me in line with others regularly doing that strategy, so i can bounce any issues and fine tune settings so my results should largely compare.

I guess confidence is key and ive pretty much lost mine right now.

Fraser cord

@john-folan or anyone else who can/is willing to help

I set up my trading bots over xmas, i went with fairbot as it seemed more folk were using it and there were more bots shared as i didnt know where to begin. However a few weeks later, many hours spent and im no further forward profit wise. I was spending so much time each day for little, hence the rain check. Although i accept the risk, the advice of spread your strategies to limit variance just isnt getting it done for me. That's been on the football for the past couple of months and now the horses too. All im finding is more time spent but little or in some cases much more profit gone.

So im thinking of changing plan. Im thinking of just picking a strategy and sticking with it, was just getting all muddled trying to follow many, taking so much time and results never matched the software hence my confidence goes. Feels a little bit like jack of all trades, master of none (no pun intended)

Was going to just stick with the short odds lays, easy to just go with 1 strategy set on the bot for 15 mins in the morning, go to work, and check for 10 mins at night. Many folk are speaking highly of BFBM, seems to allow more functionality than fairbot. So my questions are

Is the entry time 10 sec before the actual start or official start for Short odds lays. If its actual, how does the bot know that (I cant seem to work out how fairbot could do this, how does BFBM?)

Does the version everyone use match the bot on here of have significant personal changes been made (not trying to pinch others hard yards but wouldnt want to dive in knowing the success others are having is down to their bot being significantly different to mine).

Any advice appreciated, i have a bot on fairbot for the short odds lays i can use. However im wondering if a switch to BFBM would keep me in line with others regularly doing that strategy, so i can bounce any issues and fine tune settings so my results should largely compare.

I guess confidence is key and ive pretty much lost mine right now.

Martin

Does anyone have any more bots for the members filters?

These are the ones I have so far:
1_1674127451143_1672742310493-btc-beaten-favourite-lays-3-15-odds-range-flat-stakes.gz
1_1674127470555_1630406157438-clean-gshg-bot.gz
0_1674127470555_1630317079913-clean-ryans-split-stake.gz
0_1674127451142_1655373592605-clean-short-odds-1.8-2.4-lays.gz

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@greg-mitchell @John-Folan
I don't think it does, I'm sure Adam posted a google sheet somewhere on here that does all the separating for you once you load the data into it

Greg Mitchell

@john-folan Ok ta. I will do a test today..

John Folan

@greg-mitchell said in BFbotmanager Automation Discussion:

@john-folan Do you know if when importing tips, you can have more than one tipster in the same row, provided they are separated by a comma or does it need to be two separate rows. For example if I download the daily selections from the horse racing software, sometimes one horse will be matched to more than one strategy and want to put both into BFBM?

I haven’t tried tbh. I usually just duplicate the horse and put one strategy name in one row and one on the other.

Also if you don’t want all horse markets if you make sure your strategy has MarketId in the market Id column it will auto import that market into bfbm as well.

Greg Mitchell

@john-folan Do you know if when importing tips, you can have more than one tipster in the same row, provided they are separated by a comma or does it need to be two separate rows. For example if I download the daily selections from the horse racing software, sometimes one horse will be matched to more than one strategy and want to put both into BFBM?

John Folan

@greg-mitchell said in BFbotmanager Automation Discussion:

@john-folan Thank You, I had tried that but it didn't seem quite what I wanted. I need to make sure that the price at 2 mins was 4 ticks less than its 4 minute mark, when I first set this up, it could of drifted 4 mins to 2 1/2 mins and then come in 4 ticks and it would of been classed as a steamer, which is not what I wanted.

I do however think I have solved it, I have set the strategy price recording time to start at 4 mins and finish at 3 mins and 58 seconds, it should therefore record my starting point correctly. It will then only class any selection as a steamer at 2 mins if the price at 2 mins is 4 ticks less than the record price. Does that sound the right logic to you?

Yes. Don't forget to make sure the condition says use the recorded data rather than the steamer drifting one

Greg Mitchell

@john-folan Thank You, I had tried that but it didn't seem quite what I wanted. I need to make sure that the price at 2 mins was 4 ticks less than its 4 minute mark, when I first set this up, it could of drifted 4 mins to 2 1/2 mins and then come in 4 ticks and it would of been classed as a steamer, which is not what I wanted.

I do however think I have solved it, I have set the strategy price recording time to start at 4 mins and finish at 3 mins and 58 seconds, it should therefore record my starting point correctly. It will then only class any selection as a steamer at 2 mins if the price at 2 mins is 4 ticks less than the record price. Does that sound the right logic to you?

John Folan

@greg-mitchell said in BFbotmanager Automation Discussion:

@john-folan Thank you, I can't seem to find the right settings. Have it set up ok in Bet Angel but looking at moving to BFBM as I love the bank options.

There’s a lot more filtering in Bfbot as well. I prefer it despite the fact it’s a little slower.
Found it in the manual. You can do % or ticks. This is the rule you want under selection conditions
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