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@Ben-Dobie enjoyed a nice green on O1.5 here, fitted my stratagy perfectly as value at kick off so waited 15 mins for slightly bigger odds, wish they were all as easy as this one.
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@Ryan said in *****New Football Thread*****:
the issue with pension money is if you personally put it in then thats money you've been taxed on going into a vehicle that you get taxed on again - yes I know you can get a lump out tax free and then also get a top up from employer or government on entry but Stocks and Shares ISAs are all tax free which is something I try to utilise to the fullest.
I feel like this needs to be highlighted a thousand times!
I think of pensions as being taxed on the way out (as you pay tax on the income you draw from it down the road), whereas ISAs are normally taxed on the way in, because you would normally pay income tax on the money you earn before contributing to the ISA.
Sports trading income is not taxed (except by Betfair themselves if you're making enough
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@Ryan said in *****New Football Thread*****:
@Patrik-Mellqvist I wouldn't want to touch a loan at 2% a month! Scary that!
My plan....
I put away a portion of my income for saving and another portion for investments every month. I had one pot in my bank which I focused on filling first which had the goal of if I couldn't work for a year I would be able to cover the bills of the house.
I also made sure I have healthcare cover and also insurances to cover me.
Then I have my investments in a stocks and shares ISA as well as a pension, I can get hold of the money in my isa within a few days if I need to.
I'd take 2% on my mortgage!
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@Akiva-Anderson said in *****New Football Thread*****:
@Richard-Latimer said in *****New Football Thread*****:
@Akiva-Anderson I was trying to work this out for a friend the other day as we always talk about my head being in the clouds
Do you not pay betfair premium charge yet? Surely this impacts?
No, nowhere near it yet. Used to be you had to make £250k. I used Betfair well before I started trading, when I was a gambler! Probably lost about £50k over the years. So I have to make £300k before I pay the premium charge. Unless it’s changed?
The premium charge will either decrease or disappear in the future. However, for this to happen, Betfair needs a competitor.
@Akiva-Anderson don't know why but I thought the threshold was less than that so good to know.
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@Greg-Mitchell said in *****New Football Thread*****:
@Akiva-Anderson This is very interesting and I have been trying to set myself something similar and get more disciplined, couple of questions if you don't mind.
To make 10% per day from a starting bank of £100, what stakes/liability have you started off with and do you intend on sticking with the same stake %?
Do you intend on stopping for the day once you have hit. the 10%?
If you have a few losing days on the trot, and you are behind your target do you try and recover that or stick to the 10% of whatever your balance is?
It's not 10% a day, it is 10% per week. If I'm watching the game I'll use 10%, if not, I'll use 5%. The most losses I've had in 3 in a row. I still use 10% of my starting bank. It isn't unusual to go on a 15 trade winning streak. I was on 21 trade winning streak that unfortunately ended this week. I haven't needed to top up my bankroll for a long time
As for stopping when I reach my target. Not really. If it's a daily target then I might, especially if I'm trading in the Brazil league. No point wiping out all days profit in a game I'm not interested in. If I hit my weekly target early then I just keep going (hence the reason I'm three weeks in front).
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@Patrik-Mellqvist I wouldn't want to touch a loan at 2% a month! Scary that!
My plan....
I put away a portion of my income for saving and another portion for investments every month. I had one pot in my bank which I focused on filling first which had the goal of if I couldn't work for a year I would be able to cover the bills of the house.
I also made sure I have healthcare cover and also insurances to cover me.
Then I have my investments in a stocks and shares ISA as well as a pension, I can get hold of the money in my isa within a few days if I need to.
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@Chris-King 100%!!! There's so many different things that are fees etc... which are all just taxes in reality.
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@mick-mcmahon Interesting, what did you take from this?
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@Akiva-Anderson This is very interesting and I have been trying to set myself something similar and get more disciplined, couple of questions if you don't mind.
To make 10% per day from a starting bank of £100, what stakes/liability have you started off with and do you intend on sticking with the same stake %?
Do you intend on stopping for the day once you have hit. the 10%?
If you have a few losing days on the trot, and you are behind your target do you try and recover that or stick to the 10% of whatever your balance is?
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@Richard-Latimer said in *****New Football Thread*****:
@Akiva-Anderson I was trying to work this out for a friend the other day as we always talk about my head being in the clouds
Do you not pay betfair premium charge yet? Surely this impacts?
No, nowhere near it yet. Used to be you had to make £250k. I used Betfair well before I started trading, when I was a gambler! Probably lost about £50k over the years. So I have to make £300k before I pay the premium charge. Unless it’s changed?
The premium charge will either decrease or disappear in the future. However, for this to happen, Betfair needs a competitor.
le jeu avant tout
Am Yisrael Chai
When you got skin in the game, you stay in the game
But you don’t get a win unless you play in the game... -
Hello again - I just want to add one last thing about owning physical gold coins and having them in a deposit safe with an insurance contract.
This is an optimal way for independent economic sports trading life - because it has one extra function and that is you can not get a loan in the bank when you make tax-free money from trading as the bank would never have you as a customer with reference as independent gambler/sport-trader.
So if you for some reason need to take a loan you can not go to the bank - but if you like me have over one year of income invested in Gold Coins (not bars) you can take a loan at the pawn shop on your assets.
Is not a cheap loan, but is manageable and in my country, the monthly interest is 2%.I don't know any reason why anyone would like to take a loan - but life can be unpredictable sometimes you might have been sick for a longer period and not been able to trade and you might not have been saving for insurance or put aside money for this life-changing situations as an independent economical trader.
Then is a good thing to have physical Gold Coins as assets for more reasons than one.
That is the reason I also added Ryan's name to this reply because I would like to hear if he plans for such a situation and put aside a special account or money - for example vacation break or sickness period.Cheers
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@Akiva-Anderson I was trying to work this out for a friend the other day as we always talk about my head being in the clouds
Do you not pay betfair premium charge yet? Surely this impacts?
Trading Spreadsheet linked below
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/3gnk1vku1krkoyfcq37y6/Trading-Bible.xlsx?rlkey=01eqhp8u73s61iy2s814sqfll&dl=0 -
@Akiva-Anderson I'm finally on the right track myself. I've often considered I'd like to try and do a Maria turning 3k into 100k by the end of 12 months but I think I'll need to draw so it won't happen!
Good luck with yours mate
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@Akiva-Anderson Yeah I’ve had similar, and nicely put. To be honest nowadays i don’t draw too much attention from others to my trading.
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@Patrik-Mellqvist Thanks for sharing this. I’ll be honest i am not an expert on traditional investing but what you’ve explained does make complete logical sense. This sounds very similar to property investment too, investing in physical assets, but i imagine the two are still very different. I have bookmarked your post
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@Ryan Cheers Ryan, and of course good points on the pension money..they will get their tax money from you one way or another given the chance. In this life if you have something worth having, whether you’ve worked your fingers to the bone for it or not, there will ALWAYS be someone that want’s to take it from you.
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@Ryan said in *****New Football Thread*****:
@mick-mcmahon One of the things that helped me understand goals and if there was one coming was...
Watching lower league football - it moves slower and mistakes aren't punished as often or as quick as top level BUT the patterns are usually similar so it gives you more chances to spot the mistakes.
Goals come from this:
- Mistakes
- 1 player doing something amazing
- 2 players doing something good
Thats where the lower league comes in on mistakes you can spot the mistakes easier, then it does move up but in the premier league for example a left back might make the mistake 2 times and theres a goal, it might be 5-6 times in the lower leagues.
1 player doing something great, when researching the players see if any of them have the touch of this in their locker...
2 players - again you need somebody who can get in positions to score, somebody who can unlock defences. When you research this as well it helps because when you are watching the game you can see if it's actually happening, for example Bruno at united it great at doing good things, his passes into the box are good very good. Main is also good at getting on the end of them... so if you start to see this happening it helps understand it.
I also like to look at a few of the stats...
- 1st to score
- 1st to concede
These help me watch the teams and question the attacks and the defence as a whole.
Also I like Avg shots per goal... not always that accurate as freak shots and things happen but it helps me keep a tally of X team scores first 80% of the time and they score 1 goal on avg every 7 shots... say its 10 shots in the game I am now feeling more confident.
I hope that's not just bored you and you got some value in that.
No that's really good info.
It's funny, depending on where you are in your "journey", you can read the same thing at different times but get completely different value from it. -
@mick-mcmahon One of the things that helped me understand goals and if there was one coming was...
Watching lower league football - it moves slower and mistakes aren't punished as often or as quick as top level BUT the patterns are usually similar so it gives you more chances to spot the mistakes.
Goals come from this:
- Mistakes
- 1 player doing something amazing
- 2 players doing something good
Thats where the lower league comes in on mistakes you can spot the mistakes easier, then it does move up but in the premier league for example a left back might make the mistake 2 times and theres a goal, it might be 5-6 times in the lower leagues.
1 player doing something great, when researching the players see if any of them have the touch of this in their locker...
2 players - again you need somebody who can get in positions to score, somebody who can unlock defences. When you research this as well it helps because when you are watching the game you can see if it's actually happening, for example Bruno at united it great at doing good things, his passes into the box are good very good. Main is also good at getting on the end of them... so if you start to see this happening it helps understand it.
I also like to look at a few of the stats...
- 1st to score
- 1st to concede
These help me watch the teams and question the attacks and the defence as a whole.
Also I like Avg shots per goal... not always that accurate as freak shots and things happen but it helps me keep a tally of X team scores first 80% of the time and they score 1 goal on avg every 7 shots... say its 10 shots in the game I am now feeling more confident.
I hope that's not just bored you and you got some value in that.
