Horse Racing Strategies Megathread

@Everyone This thread is for shared profitable members strategies which can be downloaded. These will also help you create your own strategies and see what people are having success with.

If you have a support question here is the form to use: https://form.asana.com/?k=V4sICWddOgH3CMQ96g0XSA&d=1120854233877885

A Simple to View Spreadsheet of Results:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bZltAAa9SvEcnlR_pUbJu-JY_o1DJ3LQ0uvLwSwnwQ4/edit#gid=899189367

If you want to add to the list just comment and share the .json file (to download the file from the forum: right click - save link as - save)

Here is a video guide on how to share and upload strategies:

Downloads

@John-Folan's Flat Pace Backs (2.0-25.0 odds) Added 18th June 2022
Back-Fitted Filter - 0_1663229265469_rules_export (25).json
Version 2.0 from John: 0_1665057266246_1664356865816-flat-pace.json

@John-Folan's Short Odd Lays (1.8-2.4 odds) Added 20th June 2022
0_1663229545841_rules_export (26).json
Version 2.0 updated by John: 0_1664359287679_1664356514572-shortoddslays.json
Current version: 0_1675337863755_1675333133854-john-x27-s-short-odds-lays-qualifiers.json

@Jon-Batten' Back Maiden Favourites (1.5-10 odds) Added 18th May 2022
0_1663229824030_rules_export (27).json

@jon-batten's Pace Lays (2.0-3.0 odds) Added 15th May 2022
0_1663230311164_rules_export (28).json

@martin's Back The Favourite Strategy (3.0-8.0 odds) - Added 7th May 2022
0_1663231979669_rules_export (30).json

@martin's Pace Lays (3-11 odds) - Added 24th April 2022
0_1663232703060_rules_export (31).json

@martin's Short Odds Lays (1.69-2.2) Added 24th April 2022
0_1663232953638_rules_export (32).json

@Wayne-Ironside's Pace Letter Backs (1.01-100 odds) - Added 20th June 2022
Back-Fitted Filter - 0_1663233660314_rules_export (33).json

@john-folan's DOB Strategy Slow Horses (6-1000 odds) Added 13th May 2022
0_1663230583306_rules_export (29).json

FAQ:

Q. Should I still test these before putting money on?
A. Yes, I will always advise forward testing any strategy for 1-3 months at least. This also helps you see the best approach for the strategy, for free!

Q. Is there a results sheet?
A. Yes here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bZltAAa9SvEcnlR_pUbJu-JY_o1DJ3LQ0uvLwSwnwQ4/edit#gid=899189367

Q. How do I deal with multiple selections in one race?
A. This will depend on the strategy, some strategies like lay the field rely on multiple qualifiers to make profit. For my (@martin's) shared strategies this is what I do - In general if two selections end up qualifying oddswise then I don't trade them, reason being that when I ran the results and removed duplicate horses in the same race the results improved. This seems especially true when laying horses. However, if there are two plus selections but only one qualifies in odds then I do trade it.

Q: How do I know when to enter?
A: The strategy settings on the strategy builder will have the rules and entry within them, for you to view.

Q: I am worried about backfitting, how do I combat this?
A. A couple of easy ways to do this, firstly, see if the strategy was profitable before you edited filters to improve it, was the base strategy profitable? If so you are probably onto a winner regardless. Secondly, forward test the strategy after creation, if the same winning trend continues then your strategy is clearly working and backfitting is not an issue.

Q: Are you going to add more data, go further back in time?
A: Yes, this will be an ongoing process we are using the funds from sales of the software to buy more data over time. The data will naturally get longer in time anyway as days go by, we don't ever lose data that we already have from the past.

last edited by Martin
Pro Trader
Level 205

@craig-vaulks @john-folan had a decent dob strategy, not sure what the latest version is.

Pro Trader
Level 205

So i've created my own basic strategy just testing out the software looking for a decent back to lay method. Can anyone help me refine or give advice on it. I am mainly just looking for decent daily selections to trade manually but would be nice if I could automate in the future. This one is only profitable if I add around a 15 to 20 second window to trade in play or if I add a stop loss. Not sure why it would not work as a DOB.
0_1680121250237_rules_export.json

last edited by Craig vaulks
Level 12

@jonathan-jones

thanks for the tip. i will watch some of the movies he made,

Level 6

@samo

https://www.youtube.com/@betyourlife is a great resource for learning automation in Fairbot. I havnt used the files on this forum but in general to import stuff into Fairbot its tools menu - Strategy editor. That brings up the strategy editor window. Then on that window its File - Import Strategy (you need to save the strategy once its imported).

In general with fairbot its always a good idea to have a race of that type open otherwise some event type specific stuff might not show correctly.

Level 20

@samo which automation service are you using? post the question in the thread for that provider:, you can find the index here: https://forum.betfairtradingcommunity.com/topic/4078/automation-trading-bots-index

Just seen you are using fairbot so you will want to ask in this thread: https://forum.betfairtradingcommunity.com/topic/3923/fairbot-automation-discussion

Pro Trader
Level 205

@samo
i tried to download the fairbot automation rules but i can't get it to upload and i like to understand and learn what the rules are.
this was i can build strategies more easy my self

Level 6

@martin

Hi Martin,

I have a question regarding automation the back the favo at the off: do you use betfair row 1 selection or do you use lowest back od as a selection?

thanks for the reaction

Level 6

@karl-pick said in Horse Racing Strategies Megathread:

@tom-2 said in Horse Racing Strategies Megathread:

@nick-allan

"I know it's not part of your software but I wondered if @Martin or @Adam could do a video or even get the automation software person to do one for BTC?"

I agree. I can usually get my head around stuff like that but I've had to put automation on the back burner for now. It would be great if one of the pro's in here could do an over-the-shoulder video on automation.

I must be missing a trick somewhere, but if I can't get this sorted, I may as well downgrade my account to football only. Shame, I'd love to get some horse racing automated. That would allow me to study BF more, to take it to the next level.

I have been trying for 4 weeks as well!! Not great, Old Fart New Technology, I can get it all downloaded it just does not do any bets!!

if anyone is interested in doing this PM me ๐Ÿ™‚

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Level 205

@tom-2 said in Horse Racing Strategies Megathread:

@nick-allan

"I know it's not part of your software but I wondered if @Martin or @Adam could do a video or even get the automation software person to do one for BTC?"

I agree. I can usually get my head around stuff like that but I've had to put automation on the back burner for now. It would be great if one of the pro's in here could do an over-the-shoulder video on automation.

I must be missing a trick somewhere, but if I can't get this sorted, I may as well downgrade my account to football only. Shame, I'd love to get some horse racing automated. That would allow me to study BF more, to take it to the next level.

I have been trying for 4 weeks as well!! Not great, Old Fart New Technology, I can get it all downloaded it just does not do any bets!!

Level 24

@nick-allan

"I know it's not part of your software but I wondered if @Martin or @Adam could do a video or even get the automation software person to do one for BTC?"

I agree. I can usually get my head around stuff like that but I've had to put automation on the back burner for now. It would be great if one of the pro's in here could do an over-the-shoulder video on automation.

I must be missing a trick somewhere, but if I can't get this sorted, I may as well downgrade my account to football only. Shame, I'd love to get some horse racing automated. That would allow me to study BF more, to take it to the next level.

last edited by Tom 2
Level 12

@emily-knowles said in Horse Racing Strategies Megathread:

@jonathan-jones I totally agree, I often have multiple actions to take on a horse, backs and or lays at different odds and I do them all to get as true a result as possible for each strategy.

Which software do you use to automate? I use Bet Angel but I just can't figure out how to have multiple automations on each race or have more than 2 runners per automation rule. I'm open to trying different software if recommended.

I know it's not part of your software but I wondered if @Martin or @Adam could do a video or even get the automation software person to do one for BTC?

what i do emily is basically open more than one guardian, so i have 3 staregies and they overlap races so i set one guardian page for each startegy so i have 3 guardain windows running at any time and they fire perfectly. To get additional windows just click the betangel shortcut

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Level 38

@emily-knowles I use fairbot. In Fairbot you can only have one fairbot stategy file per race. You can have as many rules as you want in that file though and multiple rules (backs, lays each with its odds or other conditions etc) for each horse. Problem of course would be you would need to manually create those files for each race or use multiple instances of Fairbot if you wanted to create generic strategies enabling you to sort of apply multiple strategy files to each race.

I get round it a different way. I have written a small app that reads the qualifiers csv file then uses templates to dynamically create a fairbot strategy file for each race of that day. Takes me about 5 mins in total to set up a full days racing.

Level 20

@emily-knowles I posted answers to this in the Bet Angel automation thread a couple of days ago and posted an example file this morning for William .. if you want any help just message me.

EDIT - haa haa I see Tony just pointed you at it ๐Ÿ™‚ Grat minds and all that

last edited by Richard Coxon
Level 12

@emily-knowles There was a good explanation on how to have mutiple automations on one race on the BA automation thread
https://forum.betfairtradingcommunity.com/topic/4020/bet-angel-automation-thread/122

Level 6

@jonathan-jones I totally agree, I often have multiple actions to take on a horse, backs and or lays at different odds and I do them all to get as true a result as possible for each strategy.

Which software do you use to automate? I use Bet Angel but I just can't figure out how to have multiple automations on each race or have more than 2 runners per automation rule. I'm open to trying different software if recommended.

I know it's not part of your software but I wondered if @Martin or @Adam could do a video or even get the automation software person to do one for BTC?

Level 9

@caroline said in Horse Racing Strategies Megathread:

Evening All,
Is there anywhere that shows me what the various horse racing filters mean and roughly how they are derived, in particular things like pace rating and how does that differ from pace letter
Many thanks

Pace letter is assigned after the race, either L (Led), P (Prominent) or H (Held Up).

Pace rating is compiled from the horse's previous 3 races. A points value is assigned based on the pace letters from those races. L = 4, P = 2, H = 0.

So if a horse's last 3 pace tags are LPP, its pace rating for the upcoming race will be 8.

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Level 59

@john861 said in Horse Racing Strategies Megathread:

Hello, I'm a big newbie to Horse racing in general so this could be a stupid question but how have the strategy filters had two picks from the same race and the same horse both backing and laying, also two selections in one strategy in the same race? An example of this is the Haydock at 16:10 with 'no cruise yet' being a selection for both the pace lays and Back the course and distance winner. How can this be the case? how would people advise you to proceed if you're trying to follow?
Also, the Haydock 16:10 also has a fortified bay as a selection, however unlikely to reach the desired odds range but would you just lay both horses in the same race if it did?

John, they are different strategies, so are looking for different things in the race. It is upto you to do your own due diligence if you follow both strategies or leave the race alone. You pays your money you takes your chance!

last edited by Karl Pick
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