BFbotmanager Automation Discussion
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Hi . Can anyone help be with setting flat liability stakes for lay the beaten favourite. Thanks
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@steven-white said in BFbotmanager Automation Discussion:
5851483 = Over 0.5
1221386 = Over 1.5
47973 = Over 2.5
1222345 = Over 3.5
1222346 = Over 4.5
1485568 = Over 5.5Top man, cheers. Will update my original post.
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@daniel-mills said in BFbotmanager Automation Discussion:
Just in case this is useful to anyone who wants to pull in football selections to BFBM, this should be pretty straightforward if you’re already following Johns tip for uploading horse selections.
You need to grab the BF Event ID and Filter Name from the football strategy selections spreadsheet.
Then, depending on the market your strategy places bets on, you need to add in the following fields:
SelectionID - this is the market and selection ie. over 1.5 goals
MarketType - name of the market ie. MATCH_ODDS
MarketName - see above ie. Match Odds
SelectionName - This is the name of the runner or selection, so in OVER_UNDER_15 it would either be ‘Over 1.5 Goals’ or ‘Under 1.5 Goals’SelectionID’s for football matches don’t change from what I can see, a group of lay the draw tips would all have the same selection ID.
For reference:
The Draw = 58805
Over 1.5 Goals = 1221386
Under 1.5 Goals = 1221385
Under 0.5 = 5851482
Under 2.5 = 47972
Under 3.5 = 1222344
Under 4.5 = 1222347Those are the ID’s I have to hand for the strategies I use, you’ll have to do some digging if you want the selection ID’s for your own strats if they use different markets.
Here’s an example using a couple of the members filters today.
If you look at C2, you’ll see the game in Belgium has a BF Event ID of 0, that won’t work with BFBM so you’ll need to enter it manually. Usually if you pull your filters off on the day of the match the football software will have it. The others all look fine though.
You don’t need any other data than the Filter Name and BF Event ID!
You can rename the headers in row 1 and ditch the other info (or copy this into a new sheet):
Filter Name = Provider
BF Event ID = EventIDSo, with a bit of formatting, those six selections should look like this:

I put a blank line between the strategies but that’s so I can read it easier. I include the selectionName info for my own reference too.
I can’t see the Belgium game on Flashscore, so it must have been postponed and we can ignore row 2.
Both Martin and Ryans strategies place bets on the Over 1.5 market, so they have the same SelectionId, Tomasz places bets on the Under 1.5 goals, hence the difference.
If you had an SHG strategy, you’d need to do a separate line for each goal market so over 0.5, over 1.5 etc.
Save this out as a CSV file and import into your tips in BFBM and if it’s found everything, you should see it populate in the manage tips window with all of the other information such as game time, team names etc…



The ones in green for Tomasz’ strat have already been placed.You need to make sure you have your markets loaded in BFBM otherwise they won’t trigger, even when you’ve loaded the tips in. I use a couple of different strats and don’t want to load every single market for every game so I set up an auto load preset for each strategy and trigger it manually when I need to:

I usually do this before I upload the tips so any pre-game bets fire off straight away.
Feel free to test this out for yourselves with the following BFBM strats I built for Tomasz and Martins set and forget picks:
0_1674395922297_BTC Tomasz Under 1.5 Goals.gz
0_1674395935650_BTC Martin Over 1.5 Goals.gz
Both are set up for £2 level stakes so adjust it for your own preference.
Paging @Martin for the strats!
Amazing thanks!
@ryan this will be useful for the guide you are creating!
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@daniel-mills Here are some more Selection id's
5851483 = Over 0.5
1221386 = Over 1.5
47973 = Over 2.5
1222345 = Over 3.5
1222346 = Over 4.5
1485568 = Over 5.5 -
@jon-batten No problem. Don't think the manual does the best job of explaining it for football markets
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@Daniel-Mills fantastic post thankyou for detailed information it will make life a lot easier for all of us loading the football strategies in.
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Just in case this is useful to anyone who wants to pull in football selections to BFBM, this should be pretty straightforward if you’re already following Johns tip for uploading horse selections.
You need to grab the BF Event ID and Filter Name from the football strategy selections spreadsheet.
Then, depending on the market your strategy places bets on, you need to add in the following fields:
SelectionID - this is the market and selection ie. over 1.5 goals
MarketType - name of the market ie. MATCH_ODDS
MarketName - see above ie. Match Odds
SelectionName - This is the name of the runner or selection, so in OVER_UNDER_15 it would either be ‘Over 1.5 Goals’ or ‘Under 1.5 Goals’SelectionID’s for football matches don’t change from what I can see, a group of lay the draw tips would all have the same selection ID.
For reference:
The Draw = 58805
Over 1.5 Goals = 1221386
Under 1.5 Goals = 1221385
Under 0.5 = 5851482
Under 2.5 = 47972
Under 3.5 = 1222344
Under 4.5 = 1222347Thanks to @steven-white for these ones:
5851483 = Over 0.5
1221386 = Over 1.5
47973 = Over 2.5
1222345 = Over 3.5
1222346 = Over 4.5
1485568 = Over 5.5Those are the ID’s I have to hand for the strategies I use, you’ll have to do some digging if you want the selection ID’s for your own strats if they use different markets.
Here’s an example using a couple of the members filters today.
If you look at C2, you’ll see the game in Belgium has a BF Event ID of 0, that won’t work with BFBM so you’ll need to enter it manually. Usually if you pull your filters off on the day of the match the football software will have it. The others all look fine though.
You don’t need any other data than the Filter Name and BF Event ID!
You can rename the headers in row 1 and ditch the other info (or copy this into a new sheet):
Filter Name = Provider
BF Event ID = EventIDSo, with a bit of formatting, those six selections should look like this:

I put a blank line between the strategies but that’s so I can read it easier. I include the selectionName info for my own reference too.
I can’t see the Belgium game on Flashscore, so it must have been postponed and we can ignore row 2.
Both Martin and Ryans strategies place bets on the Over 1.5 market, so they have the same SelectionId, Tomasz places bets on the Under 1.5 goals, hence the difference.
If you had an SHG strategy, you’d need to do a separate line for each goal market so over 0.5, over 1.5 etc.
Save this out as a CSV file and import into your tips in BFBM and if it’s found everything, you should see it populate in the manage tips window with all of the other information such as game time, team names etc…



The ones in green for Tomasz’ strat have already been placed.You need to make sure you have your markets loaded in BFBM otherwise they won’t trigger, even when you’ve loaded the tips in. I use a couple of different strats and don’t want to load every single market for every game so I set up an auto load preset for each strategy and trigger it manually when I need to:

I usually do this before I upload the tips so any pre-game bets fire off straight away.
Feel free to test this out for yourselves with the following BFBM strats I built for Tomasz and Martins set and forget picks:
0_1674395922297_BTC Tomasz Under 1.5 Goals.gz
0_1674395935650_BTC Martin Over 1.5 Goals.gz
Both are set up for £2 level stakes so adjust it for your own preference.
Paging @Martin for the strats!
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@daniel-mills said in BFbotmanager Automation Discussion:
@Martin Hi mate, give these a try. All are set to 2% stakes on a £100 bank.
0_1674244195889_BTC Back the Course and Distance.gz
0_1674244199651_BTC Back the Favourite at the off.gz
legend
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@john-folan Thanks.
Yeh il give this a go. Il need to set my bot before 8am each day so will run the risk of non runners but hopefully not that often. Hopefully get bets placed almost in line with the software.
With DSLR, was thinking of checking each racecard quickly and if a short odds horse/horses dont meet it (probabaly sitting 3.0 or below at 8am), just avoid that race?
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@daniel-mills ok perfect. Appreciate your help. Yeh im guessing if you set the bot on 20 races a day, chances are only 3 or 4 bets will get placed due to odds.
My problem was I was missing bets on lay beaten fav/pace lays, then 1 loss and suddenly im down. been similar with the football, the strategies where you need 3 or 4 wins per loss having been killing me as if you miss a couple all your profit goes.
With this, its essentially 1 win per loss (almost) so will hopefully even out more.
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@Martin Hi mate, give these a try. All are set to 2% stakes on a £100 bank.
0_1674244195889_BTC Back the Course and Distance.gz
0_1674244199651_BTC Back the Favourite at the off.gz
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@fraser-cord said in BFbotmanager Automation Discussion:
@john-folan Cheers
So if the fairbot bot will lay 10 sec before the start between 1.8 to 2.4 thats all i really need? I appreciate DSLR will be impossible to check so may have to do that manually myself.
What i was finding, was downloading all main strats, letting them all run in order of priority (as fairbot can only do 1 per market) but then my results were totally different to the software (unsurprisingly worse). Was similar with the football, got 1 working great, then as i diversified, profit started going down rather than up, yet was putting in way more time.
Short odds lays seems so simple and time efficient in comparison. Yes it will have dips but looks profitable providing I'm getting on the same bets as the software is suggesting
My biggest fear was going at this with an 'inferior bot' so my results again don't match the software.
Do you filter the selections each day other than runners? It looks like what you post is generally the full card for a course
It filters out everything bar runner numbers and DSLR which is impossible to know until we have a good idea of who the favourite is. Usually you can tell early doors but can change sometimes
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@fraser-cord essentially, yeah. You are going to find that selections don't get matched, but thats down to not meeting the criteria more than anything.
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@daniel-mills Thanks
Did you use the fairbot Short odds bot before? Time is definetely a big factor for me, was spending way too much and the returns not worth it at all. I have definetely mastered the mechanics of Fairbot so would rather continue vs learn a new way if Fairbot can do what i need it to.
I just want 1 strat that i know matches the software so my selections will be the same, was just so much variation on the others.
So are your bot settings essentially lay between 1.8-2.4 10 sec before if runners match and DSLR matches? Again there were so many exceptions on other strats.
I appreciate you will change bank size/staking but your core rules are just those above?And you find your selections pretty much mirror the software?
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@martin said in BFbotmanager Automation Discussion:
Does anyone have any more bots for the members filters?
These are the ones I have so far:
1_1674127451143_1672742310493-btc-beaten-favourite-lays-3-15-odds-range-flat-stakes.gz
1_1674127470555_1630406157438-clean-gshg-bot.gz
0_1674127470555_1630317079913-clean-ryans-split-stake.gz
0_1674127451142_1655373592605-clean-short-odds-1.8-2.4-lays.gzbumping this, trying to get a set for members on all of the different automation softwares
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@john-folan Cheers
So if the fairbot bot will lay 10 sec before the start between 1.8 to 2.4 thats all i really need? I appreciate DSLR will be impossible to check so may have to do that manually myself.
What i was finding, was downloading all main strats, letting them all run in order of priority (as fairbot can only do 1 per market) but then my results were totally different to the software (unsurprisingly worse). Was similar with the football, got 1 working great, then as i diversified, profit started going down rather than up, yet was putting in way more time.
Short odds lays seems so simple and time efficient in comparison. Yes it will have dips but looks profitable providing I'm getting on the same bets as the software is suggesting
My biggest fear was going at this with an 'inferior bot' so my results again don't match the software.
Do you filter the selections each day other than runners? It looks like what you post is generally the full card for a course
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@fraser-cord
I can't speak for the others but if you've got John's short lays set up on Fairbot it might be worth sticking with it a bit longer and only adding one or two strategies at a time if time is a factor. Then you can focus on the ins and outs of that one strategy.I used Fairbot for just over a year and switched over to BFBM in December. I do think it's better for automation but I've had to put a decent bit of time into learning it and getting a VPS set up cos i'm on a Mac and it's windows only. Getting spreadsheets ready to put into BFBM is also a bit of a faff, but i'm only spending about 20 mins now a day to get tips in.
I'm using the BF bots that have been posted on here but I have edited them to my own personal bank sizes and staking.
edit: Just seen Johns reply - defo the separate banks thing!
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Sounds sensible. I like a spread of strategies BUT I get them going one at a time. Separate banks for each as well. Massively important that. Then compound.
Ten seconds before official start. Impossible to know the actual until it’s running .
@fraser-cord said in BFbotmanager Automation Discussion:
@john-folan or anyone else who can/is willing to help
I set up my trading bots over xmas, i went with fairbot as it seemed more folk were using it and there were more bots shared as i didnt know where to begin. However a few weeks later, many hours spent and im no further forward profit wise. I was spending so much time each day for little, hence the rain check. Although i accept the risk, the advice of spread your strategies to limit variance just isnt getting it done for me. That's been on the football for the past couple of months and now the horses too. All im finding is more time spent but little or in some cases much more profit gone.
So im thinking of changing plan. Im thinking of just picking a strategy and sticking with it, was just getting all muddled trying to follow many, taking so much time and results never matched the software hence my confidence goes. Feels a little bit like jack of all trades, master of none (no pun intended)
Was going to just stick with the short odds lays, easy to just go with 1 strategy set on the bot for 15 mins in the morning, go to work, and check for 10 mins at night. Many folk are speaking highly of BFBM, seems to allow more functionality than fairbot. So my questions are
Is the entry time 10 sec before the actual start or official start for Short odds lays. If its actual, how does the bot know that (I cant seem to work out how fairbot could do this, how does BFBM?)
Does the version everyone use match the bot on here of have significant personal changes been made (not trying to pinch others hard yards but wouldnt want to dive in knowing the success others are having is down to their bot being significantly different to mine).
Any advice appreciated, i have a bot on fairbot for the short odds lays i can use. However im wondering if a switch to BFBM would keep me in line with others regularly doing that strategy, so i can bounce any issues and fine tune settings so my results should largely compare.
I guess confidence is key and ive pretty much lost mine right now.
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@john-folan or anyone else who can/is willing to help
I set up my trading bots over xmas, i went with fairbot as it seemed more folk were using it and there were more bots shared as i didnt know where to begin. However a few weeks later, many hours spent and im no further forward profit wise. I was spending so much time each day for little, hence the rain check. Although i accept the risk, the advice of spread your strategies to limit variance just isnt getting it done for me. That's been on the football for the past couple of months and now the horses too. All im finding is more time spent but little or in some cases much more profit gone.
So im thinking of changing plan. Im thinking of just picking a strategy and sticking with it, was just getting all muddled trying to follow many, taking so much time and results never matched the software hence my confidence goes. Feels a little bit like jack of all trades, master of none (no pun intended)
Was going to just stick with the short odds lays, easy to just go with 1 strategy set on the bot for 15 mins in the morning, go to work, and check for 10 mins at night. Many folk are speaking highly of BFBM, seems to allow more functionality than fairbot. So my questions are
Is the entry time 10 sec before the actual start or official start for Short odds lays. If its actual, how does the bot know that (I cant seem to work out how fairbot could do this, how does BFBM?)
Does the version everyone use match the bot on here of have significant personal changes been made (not trying to pinch others hard yards but wouldnt want to dive in knowing the success others are having is down to their bot being significantly different to mine).
Any advice appreciated, i have a bot on fairbot for the short odds lays i can use. However im wondering if a switch to BFBM would keep me in line with others regularly doing that strategy, so i can bounce any issues and fine tune settings so my results should largely compare.
I guess confidence is key and ive pretty much lost mine right now.
