Food/Diet and training hobbies
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Right gents, in relation to the coffee convo and fasting, what about sweeteners? I have searched the tinterweb high and low for some kind of clarification but all I get are mixed responses. Some say that black coffee with sweeteners (like sweetex) will break a fast, while others say it doesn't.
I personally am confused how a zero calorie sweetener breaks a fast and triggers an insulin response as I thought the body stayed in a fasted state unless you ate/ broke your fast by consuming calories
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@matt-wood Not a dirty bulk as such, just trying to eat more and improving my choices with it. Iāve definitely seen a difference and my main signs will be based on the mirror, ie am I growing and am I getting too āsoftā round my torso! Iāve been more consistent with my workouts and so far itās working. Luckily Im very active with work so I can easily drop calories 25% for a couple of weeks and itāll quickly tighten things up. Over the year Iād like to be 1.5-2 stone heavier, without being completely fat
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@adam are yours water only then? I ended mine after 60 hours and the day before forgot to drink more water and felt rough the following day. That's never happened to me before.
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@dan-mackinnon said in Food/Diet and training hobbies:
Those that do fasts, do you allow yourself milk in coffee? I've heard it doesn't make too much of a difference
Personally no as I partly do it for the benefits of resting my digestive system, so I don't want to introduce any calories whatsoever.
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@keith-anderson Oh yes!!! Its why fasting works well for me, I get a lot done in the mornings.
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@ryan said in Food/Diet and training hobbies:
When I fast I usually have coffee black, the reason I drink coffee anyways was for the clarity it gives my mind and I have found when fasting I am more focused anyways.
For me milk slows me down anyways lol
That'll be your ADHD
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@keith-anderson After the popularity of your recent trades, if you fast I think we all might give it a go! Maybe that's the secret?
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Fasting?! Become Jewish, we have loads of Fasts!
le jeu avant tout
Am Yisrael Chai
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@lee-woodman Yeah I've seen that it should be black but didn't know the science whether a bit of milk halts the benefits of fasting. Not that I would give up on a fast after having a coffee with milk. I'm currently 40 hours into a fast and met my friend at lunch and instinctively had a latte which is a bit more than a splash of milk though
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@dan-mackinnon Fasting is just a schedule of eating really so thereās no ābreaking the rulesā as such, itās just finding what works for you. Iāve seen it said that coffee should be black and also elsewhere that a splash of milk is ok but itās whatever works for you
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Those that do fasts, do you allow yourself milk in coffee? I've heard it doesn't make too much of a difference
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@lee-woodman I prefer to just take regular progress pics rather than measuring. Stand in the same place and in the same light, take it at the same time of day, and if you like what you see then you're on the right track, with the bonus that you can update your Tindr profile pic
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@matt-wood Oh you soooo forgot, but isn't a good day of eating what you want great for the old leptin levels? Or that a old wives tale?
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@lee-woodman said in Food/Diet and training hobbies:
@matt-wood Iām currently trying to bulk and have noticed an increase already after some decent consistency. I am more inclined to take measurements as opposed to weight - when do you think is the best time to measure certain muscles? Obviously if I come home from an upper body and measure my chest itāll skew the figures, when is the best time to get an accurate reading? I can see a growth in the mirror but for the first time Iād like to use accurate measurements
Morning Lee. Not a dirty bulk I hope
Measuring muscle growth, with a tape measure I assume, is quite tricky.
With regards to your 'pump' from the gym skewing the figures it would be safe to measure after an hour.
A few other things to consider though. Water and food (more importantly blood glucose) will make a difference. Try to pick the same time of day to do your measurements. I would recommend when you get up first thing, as you wont have eaten. The measurements will be slightly smaller as not salt, and food are at play here but it will be a more 'true' picture.
The biggest problem, however, is where to measure. A lot of people say measure the widest point of your thigh for example. But even in the same individual this can change over time and so skew the numbers.
The accepted way around this is to make use of 'Osteometric points' (bony points). These are places easily found on your skeleton which will give you a fixed point of reference (see the link).The third thing to consider would be, flexed or relaxed. Sounds obvious, but take upper arm as an example. Even if you bend your elbow slightly you will engage the biceps and therefore they will be slightly flexed. I used to take two measurements for all muscles, one 100% relaxed and one deliberately flexed as hard as possible. This is also a good way to somewhat account for the amount of fat in that area (being leaner should see a bigger difference between the two).
Lastly its much easier as a two person job!
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@matt-wood Iām currently trying to bulk and have noticed an increase already after some decent consistency. I am more inclined to take measurements as opposed to weight - when do you think is the best time to measure certain muscles? Obviously if I come home from an upper body and measure my chest itāll skew the figures, when is the best time to get an accurate reading? I can see a growth in the mirror but for the first time Iād like to use accurate measurements
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Right end of week 3 and the 7 day average weight is down just under 1lb. this means that my 7 day average weight is slightly over 3lbs less than my starting weight after christmas. 1lb a week is very respectable and sensible weight loss.
Waistline has come in just over 1 inch too, back to a 31" waist now. Biggest thing is in myself I don't feel 'soft' anymore.
Right the original plan was to start a 3 day fast at some point this week after the period of keto. This would probably happen around tuesday or weds.
However, a change of plan is required.
Now when starting/devising this plan after christmas I, absolutely, 100%, most certainly did NOT
forget that my good lady has a birthday at the end of Jan.So a pause in the weight loss plan. This is a great example though of real life affecting diets/exercise. It would be super easy now for me to just say aaaahhh F*** it, I will start again after. In my experience that mindset leads to never starting it up again.
So, a sensible week this week, everything in moderation, perhaps and extra cardio session, before birthday celebrations at the weekend with alcohol and shitty, but oh so nice food.
Following that back onto keto for probably a week, then resume the plan.
