The BTC Horse Racing Thread

[Joshua Varley]

@Jonathan-Jones how did the bot go yesterday? The one I made yesterday morning to test the strategy you posted, fired 41 times, with 36 winners, all in the odds range specified. I checked against the results this morning and the bot only missed firing on 4 selections, all of which were at the extreme high end of the odds range.

Did your results match up?

[Martin]

@Jonathan-Jones just thinking is it possible with a bot?

[A Former User]

@Martin
If you are watching the race then you could make a pretty accurate guess i think. If your criteria is something like last 10 seconds or so, watching the horses get loaded etc then no issues.

I am running several strats so even if i was able to watch the races to manually execute i doubt i would be able to keep up with all the different rules for the different horses.

[Martin]

@Jonathan-Jones you are right about actual being more difficult to execute than official, would think only way to execute that would be manually but may be wrong.

[Martin]

@Jonathan-Jones said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

@Greg-Mitchell, @John-Folan

For today i have imported the min and max in the tipster service. I have left that selection criteria where it is but have unchecked the box in the staking to ignore tipster min/max. Hopefully they will work together.

Anyway. These are the files i am trying to get to work. The strat is one someone poster here. I watched it live for a couple of months and it seems to work very well (though has no real reason why). I can replicate the backtest results 100% in Fairbot but BFBM is miles off.

See if there is anything i have missed.

Just Lay.json
Just Lay.gz

Thanks for sharing!

[A Former User]

@Daniel-Mills

Its not LTP. I tried the default on yesterday and it didnt help. Exactly the same issue.

[A Former User]

@John-Folan said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

@Jonathan-Jones said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

@Greg-Mitchell @John-Folan

I think your problem is using LTP. I just use back and lay price(both, not either, or) and my stuff seems to match the software 98% of the time.

daft question, where are you setting this? is it this?

[A Former User]

@Greg-Mitchell, @John-Folan

For today i have imported the min and max in the tipster service. I have left that selection criteria where it is but have unchecked the box in the staking to ignore tipster min/max. Hopefully they will work together.

Anyway. These are the files i am trying to get to work. The strat is one someone poster here. I watched it live for a couple of months and it seems to work very well (though has no real reason why). I can replicate the backtest results 100% in Fairbot but BFBM is miles off.

See if there is anything i have missed.

Just Lay.json
Just Lay.gz

[A Former User]

@John-Folan, @Greg-Mitchell

That didint work. Exactly the same issue. I have more bets than i should.

Going to push the min max odds in with the tipster service and see if thats any better.

Will upload both the strat and the BFBM file in a bit

[John Folan]

@Jonathan-Jones that makes sense. Let me know how you get on. Particularly with the price change. Good point on the pre race thing. I usually find I get the odd extra bet and that explains it. I think it will be impossible to get an exact match so as long as I am close I am good. Especially if a strike rate is matching on the strategy.

[A Former User]

@John-Folan

If you set up a strategy in the software to run relative to 'Official' start then the software will stop placing bets at the official start time. Unlike Fairbot (and probably most other trading software) this software cant specify a different value (Official/Actual) for start and stop (@Adam maybe thats a possibility for the future).

As all my strats are set up like this my BFBM setup i think is correct to maintain consistency between actual results and backtest results. Either losing the stop betting from BFBM (thus creating a betting window of unknown size) or changing the software to use 'Actual' (creating an impossible to implement criteria) means i am introducing a set of circumstances that cant be modelled (like the favourites issue) and a total lack of trust in the backtest results.

I have changed the price criteria to default as you suggest but thats not how the backtest executes and a big reason for this change is to improve execution consistency. Will see how that performs today.

[Greg Mitchell]

@Jonathan-Jones I would be happy to have a look at it for you if you like (a second pair of eyes) if you send me both the BFBM bot and the BTC strategy files.

[John Folan]

@Jonathan-Jones said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

@Greg-Mitchell @John-Folan

Its an interesting one. The strat lays between 6 and 9.8 (so thats LTP is in that range inclusive). I have loads of extra bets taken. 2 from yesterday at Yarmouth 16:30.
Apex
More Than a Grey

Both have odds Req 7.2 and avg Price of 6.4 (i set to ask for 4 ticks worse to be sure i get matched) so they look fine right?
But, They are not in the software backtest this morning (BFBM took 4 bets for this strat on that race, The Software and Fairbot both only have 2). If i look at the chart in the software neither horse ever gets near 6 in the time window. The fact Fairbot also skipped them tells me BFBM is wrong in this case.

The only other suspicious thing is BFBMs time window:

'before in play', is that before the official start or what because its impossible for BFBM to know when 10 seconds before actual inplay is. So, is BFBM using the official start for the before and the actual start for the to?

#Edit#
I dont think its the times. I just ran the software with a few variations and those bets dont show. I also checked the wording on BFBM and though the start is a bit odd the stop says 'start time'.

Lose the stop betting bit for starters. As long as you don't have the "keep betting inplay" box ticked then it will automatically stop wen it goes into play. BFBM will stop placing bets at the official start time the way yours is set up I think. I could be wrong, but either way it will make the bot slightly more efficient as it is one less variable to calculate.

I think your problem is using LTP. I just use back and lay price(both, not either, or) and my stuff seems to match the software 98% of the time.

@Adam does a certain amount need to be traded at a price point in the software or is it just if it reaches that price regardless of the amount matched? Timeform for example needs £100 matched at a price for it to count.

[A Former User]

@Greg-Mitchell @John-Folan

Its an interesting one. The strat lays between 6 and 9.8 (so thats LTP is in that range inclusive). I have loads of extra bets taken. 2 from yesterday at Yarmouth 16:30.
Apex
More Than a Grey

Both have odds Req 7.2 and avg Price of 6.4 (i set to ask for 4 ticks worse to be sure i get matched) so they look fine right?
But, They are not in the software backtest this morning (BFBM took 4 bets for this strat on that race, The Software and Fairbot both only have 2). If i look at the chart in the software neither horse ever gets near 6 in the time window. The fact Fairbot also skipped them tells me BFBM is wrong in this case.

The only other suspicious thing is BFBMs time window:

'before in play', is that before the official start or what because its impossible for BFBM to know when 10 seconds before actual inplay is. So, is BFBM using the official start for the before and the actual start for the to?

#Edit#
I dont think its the times. I just ran the software with a few variations and those bets dont show. I also checked the wording on BFBM and though the start is a bit odd the stop says 'start time'.

[Martin]

@Daniel-franceschi said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

Hi please can someone email me the BTC horse races for today. I usually receive the email in the morning but it hasn't today thanks Danny

Strategies:

Back The Course & Distance Winner - Let the bet run

Rules: Back at odds 2.0-6.99, enter 10 mins before the official start time.

7/7/2023 16:50

Sandown

Lionella

7/7/2023 17:50

Beverley

Sound Reason

7/7/2023 19:35

Beverley

Valley Of Flowers

7/7/2023 20:10

Beverley

Stoney Lane

7/7/2023 18:05

Haydock

Lady Of Arabia

7/7/2023 19:50

Haydock

Metabolt

Back The Favourite at the Off - Let the bet run

Rules: Back at odds 2.5-6.0, enter 1 min before the official start time

(Note - we do not know which horse will be fav until entry time)

7/7/2023 18:05

Haydock

Will Know Near Off

7/7/2023 19:50

Haydock

Will Know Near Off

7/7/2023 18:40

Haydock

Will Know Near Off

7/7/2023 19:15

Haydock

Will Know Near Off

7/7/2023 20:25

Haydock

Will Know Near Off

7/7/2023 21:00

Haydock

Will Know Near Off

Back the Pace Horse - Let the bet run

Rules: Back at odds 2-25, expect variance

7/7/2023 21:00

Haydock

Covert Mission

Lay The Beaten Favourite - Let the bet run

Rules: Lay at odds 3.0-15, enter 10 mins before the official start time

7/7/2023 15:30

Doncaster

King Of The Plains

7/7/2023 17:05

Wexford

Fancy A Cosmo

7/7/2023 17:05

Wexford

Chiefs Kingdom

7/7/2023 17:20

Bellewstown

Fastman

7/7/2023 17:50

Beverley

Sugar Baby

7/7/2023 17:50

Beverley

Lord Abama

7/7/2023 17:50

Beverley

Majeski Man

7/7/2023 18:13

Wexford

Lily's Choice

7/7/2023 19:00

Beverley

Star Start

7/7/2023 19:58

Wexford

Francois

Pace Lays - Let the bet run

Rules: Lay at odds 3.0-11, enter 1 min before the actual start time

7/7/2023 21:0

Haydock

Covert Mission

7/7/2023 13:55

Sandown

Can To Can

7/7/2023 14:55

Doncaster

Jeans Maite

7/7/2023 14:55

Doncaster

Sparkling Red

7/7/2023 14:55

Doncaster

The Big Board

7/7/2023 14:55

Doncaster

Holy Fire

7/7/2023 16:25

Newton Abbot

The Height Of Fame

7/7/2023 16:40

Doncaster

Temporize

7/7/2023 16:50

Sandown

Further Measure

7/7/2023 17:00

Newton Abbot

Mr Mafia

7/7/2023 17:15

Doncaster

Belinda Bell

7/7/2023 18:40

Haydock

Farhhfromforgotten

7/7/2023 19:50

Haydock

Garner

[A Former User]

@Greg-Mitchell
Yep. And these are imported selections its betting on. Its just the price for those specific selections doesnt meet the criteria. The price for others does. So its betting on them, and also these.

[Greg Mitchell]

@John-Folan Can only be that

[John Folan]

@Greg-Mitchell Funny I just looked at one of mine and it's set exactly the same on that page as Jonathon's and it works. Your comment is the only reason I can see why it wouldn't work.

I've also done the ignore tick list as well as per below.

[Greg Mitchell]

@Jonathan-Jones Have you got your Staking rules set to bet only on imported tips as per your previous bot pics

[Daniel franceschi]

Hi please can someone email me the BTC horse races for today. I usually receive the email in the morning but it hasn't today thanks Danny