The BTC Horse Racing Thread
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@jonathan-jones They all have their limitations. Bet Angel is by far the most comprehensive, but as all my automation is (currently) set and forget I find bfbotmanager more than adequate. I especially like being able to assign each strategy a separate bank with it's own staking programme. Also the fact I can download selections from BTC and then just by changing a couple of headers can import straight into bfbot.
I'm looking at inrunning stuff now and the sheer speed of bet angel (20ms as opposed to 300ms on bfbot), will make it a must have.
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I use fairbot. I am not 100% sure about it yet. What i will say is customer support are very good. In terms of the automation its a bit of a mixed bag. Some stuff is very flexible but i think you may eventually run into limitations. Its not nearly as comprehensive as bet angel and i have seen a few glitches which have cost me money. They offer a very simple free trial though (you just download it and off you go) so you may as well give it a go.
My pet hates with it so far:
It cant do custom logging (so debugging a misbehaving bot is difficult),
It cant read external data (so loading selections from a spreadsheet etc is not possible (though i have found a way round this).
It cant store varibles for a strategy so you end up doing stuff like putting penny backs at 1000 to mark a selection inplay etc.
Without hacks because of the way you set criteria on a selection it can still take a long andvery error prone time to set up a days worth of selections.If i could justify the cash for bet angel i would probably switch but this one does for now.
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Just the two today
Classic Trobs: Dob, Trob or Win if odds are between 3.5-9
NONEFlat Pace. Back to Win or Place if Win Price is between 2.0-25.0. 4-14 Runners only. Avoid Soft, Heavy and Firm Going
Slow Horses. Dob any over 6.0. Multiple selections per race are what makes this profitable. Just think Pokemon.
NONE TODAYI'm also watching these to see how they perform. They are a variation on my Classic Trobs with less filters.
Trob or Win(Not worth Dobbing) any between 2.0-20.0 Near the Off. Traded and won yesterday.
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@darryll never used fairbot. The files on my thread probably only work with Bfbotmanager. I think all the different bots use different file types etc. Probably most can be recreated in whichever bot software you use.
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@john-folan said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
Everything I do apart from scalping is on a bot now
I can see that you use bfbotmanager from the link in your signature. Did you ever use the free trial at fairbot or have any experience of it? I'm only considering it because it is cheaper and comes recommended by both Ryan and Martin.
I see you have a good number of bots in that thread which I suppose a guy like me could just plug and play. Are those *.gz files only compatible with bfbotmanager?
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@darryll said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@john-folan thankfully, that was the only strategy which I was doing. Can I ask if you automate it or trade it manually?
Everything I do apart from scalping is on a bot now
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@john-folan thankfully, that was the only strategy which I was doing. Can I ask if you automate it or trade it manually?
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Now joy at all today apart from a short odds lay. Doubt tomorrow will be much better.
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@jonathan-jones said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
Question on One of the properties in the filter: What is the 'Forecast Price Rank'? When is it set? With it saying 'Forecast' i assume its based on something before the race but how long before?
It's based on the Racing Post forecast price (lowest price = rank 1). It will be added as soon as we get the declarations from RP and updated if the forecast price changes (e.g. due to non-runners or something).
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That said, there is a tad more action than I thought there would be.
Classic Trobs: Dob, Trob or Win if odds are between 3.5-9 Nothing Matched yesterday
Flat Pace. Back to Win or Place if Win Price is between 2.0-25.0. 4-14 Runners only. Avoid Soft, Heavy and Firm Going. Storming Winner yesterday
Slow Horses. Dob any over 6.0. Multiple selections per race are what makes this profitable. Just think Pokemon.
NONE TODAYI'm also watching these to see how they perform. They are a variation on my Classic Trobs with less filters.
Trob or Win(Not worth Dobbing) any between 2.0-20.0 Near the Off. Traded and won yesterday.
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@keith-driscoll said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@jonathan-jones The night before
It is pretty much correct for picking favs less than 2/1Cheers. Was wondering when it would be safe to run the filter for the daily qualifiers.
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Lots of racing cancelled today and tomorrow. Nice they are putting the welfare of the horses first.
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@jonathan-jones The night before
It is pretty much correct for picking favs less than 2/1 -
Question on One of the properties in the filter: What is the 'Forecast Price Rank'? When is it set? With it saying 'Forecast' i assume its based on something before the race but how long before?
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A nice winner in my new trobs at over 9’s. Queens highway won but went off too short for slow horses. Ennistown won at 12.5 so was a non qualifier for my classic trobs. Plus my 23.0 winner for the flat pace. I had a nice result for my short odd lays in the 12:00 as well.
Not the worst of days I must say. Horse software is definitely providing dividends.
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Winner on the Flat Pace at 23.0. Went off at 18.97 so a nice bit of extra value there. Patience pays off again.
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Todays
Classic Trobs: Dob, Trob or Win if odds are between 3.5-9 Nothing Matched yesterday
Flat Pace. Back to Win or Place if Win Price is between 2.0-25.0. 4-14 Runners only. Avoid Soft, Heavy and Firm Going. S**t Saturday
Slow Horses. Dob any over 6.0. Multiple selections per race are what makes this profitable. Just think Pokemon.
I'm also watching these to see how they perform. They are a variation on my Classic Trobs with less filters.
Trob or Win(Not worth Dobbing) any between 2.0-20.0 Near the Off. Four traded yesterday with Two trobs and a win.
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@john-folan Thanks for the recommendation, I shall give that book a search and thanks for the advice regarding trobs. As I'm a proper newbie I want to find a strategy which will throw up a good volume of trades to place each day just so that I can get in to the practice of recording results in a spreadsheet and analysing. Perhaps trobs will be a better place to start than LTF.
Do you happen to know how the software tracks the amount traded? For instance, say I was putting £100 or £1,000 stakes on. Would it be able to identify partially matched trades and include that in the results breakdown?
@keith-driscoll said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@darryll You've over-filtered. I'd bin something like that, not enough data to work with. I only filter courses that have at least 500 results, otherwise you may be introducing randomness, rather than a long-term trend. Not sure if Adam will add more past data, another 18 months would be great. Plenty of data for the AW.
Thanks Keith. Yes, I wasn't happy with the small sample size.
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@darryll You've over-filtered. I'd bin something like that, not enough data to work with. I only filter courses that have at least 500 results, otherwise you may be introducing randomness, rather than a long-term trend. Not sure if Adam will add more past data, another 18 months would be great. Plenty of data for the AW.
