The BTC Horse Racing Thread

Darryll

@adam said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

@darryll If you don't want to restrict which courses you use, you don't need to use the "Course" strategy rule.

Basically pick the rules you want to use to restrict your selections, e.g. you might have an idea of how many runners you want there to be, what distance the race is, maybe the favourite price, etc.

Then in your betting rules, for lay the field you'll probably want to choose "offer price" as the bet type (which is like queuing up bets on all qualifying runners and waiting to see if they get matched). Enter the price as 1.5 and have your entry time slider from race start to race end.

Here's an example (you can import this into the software): 0_1657876816759_LTF example.json

Thanks for this Adam. I don't seem to be having much luck. Or it seems that something is awry.

When I click on individual trades in the results breakdown and sort by race time, I'm only seeing 1 or 2 selections per race. Therefore it doesn't look like it is reporting the results for laying the field, but just 1 or 2 selections from a race. Please could you take a look and let me know if you see the same?

Here's the file - 0_1657921659827_rules_export.json

John Folan

Bit of Classic Trob Action today.

Classic Trobs: Dob, Trob or Win if odds are between 3.5-9

Flat Pace. Back to Win or Place if Win Price is between 2.0-25.0. 4-14 Runners only. Avoid Soft, Heavy and Firm Going
0_1657880960086_FLat Pace.JPG

Slow Horses. Dob any over 6.0. Multiple selections per race are what makes this profitable. Just think Pokemon.
NONE TODAY

Adam

@darryll If you don't want to restrict which courses you use, you don't need to use the "Course" strategy rule.

Basically pick the rules you want to use to restrict your selections, e.g. you might have an idea of how many runners you want there to be, what distance the race is, maybe the favourite price, etc.

Then in your betting rules, for lay the field you'll probably want to choose "offer price" as the bet type (which is like queuing up bets on all qualifying runners and waiting to see if they get matched). Enter the price as 1.5 and have your entry time slider from race start to race end.

Here's an example (you can import this into the software): 0_1657876816759_LTF example.json

Darryll

Hi guys. I'm new here. Please could somebody help me to input a 'lay the field' strategy in to the horse racing software?

In order to do a base strategy do I choose 'all courses' and then choose a lay stake of £1 @ odds of 1.5 starting at the off until the end of the race?

That's what I tried, I'm just not sure if I've done it right.

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@chris-osborne I did wonder about that. I dont think it increased that much though after 2021.

Thing is i may of figured out why in this case. This strategy uses 'traded rank' and i have tried using that on something else and it isnt working as expected. The other strategies using just 'traded rank' are returning no data at all for 2022 (apart from 18 days or so in April) so that might be a factor here too (i notice a tiny blip in the April values on the above chart so pretty sure its not a coincidence).

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@jonathan-jones said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

After some help from the expert minds here to explain the bolow chart:

Its a new back strategy i am working on. Its Turf only (so there is a gap over the winter) but the thing i am very curious about is the difference in performance comparing same periods last year to this year. For example. Looking at May, June, July you can see last year had less trades with a much higher hit rate compared to this year where its totally dropped off. Obviously this reflects in the balance chart and P&L by month.

Just after some ideas to help explain it because i am stumped. Was there less racing last year?

When did racing fully return post lockdowns

Keith Driscoll

@dene-topliss Definitely working. Test in another browser

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After some help from the expert minds here to explain the bolow chart:
0_1657797611802_29dcf3a7-e827-4cc3-9a58-61cd7daedf65-image.png

Its a new back strategy i am working on. Its Turf only (so there is a gap over the winter) but the thing i am very curious about is the difference in performance comparing same periods last year to this year. For example. Looking at May, June, July you can see last year had less trades with a much higher hit rate compared to this year where its totally dropped off. Obviously this reflects in the balance chart and P&L by month.

Just after some ideas to help explain it because i am stumped. Was there less racing last year?

John Folan

Today's

Classic Trobs: Dob, Trob or Win if odds are between 3.5-9

Flat Pace. Back to Win or Place if Win Price is between 2.0-25.0. 4-14 Runners only. Avoid Soft, Heavy and Firm Going
0_1657791774564_FLat Pace.JPG

Slow Horses. Dob any over 6.0. Multiple selections per race are what makes this profitable. Just think Pokemon.
NONE TODAY

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@adam

Thanks, So since i am testing for those criteria in the automation at runtime and if i get the qualifiers in the morning those things will almost certaintly change, i will create a new version just as a filter to give me the qualifiers.

Is there a published list of the rules and when they apply?

Adam

@jonathan-jones said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

I have a question on the filter and qualifiers.
So, the filter part is sort of used for 2 reasons. It sets up the criteria for your backtest and its used for giving you a list of qualifiers for the day. What if i have stuff in it thats only available and useful for the backtest? So, for example i have a strategy with favourites and traded rank (I enter at the race start so although they are BSP they are unlikey to change in any meaningful way if at all) but obviously the filter cant use them to give me my list of horses (I would use those criteria at runtime in the automation sorftware).

Some rules are ignored for the qualifiers, and some have different versions.

For example, in the backtesting the favourite rule uses BSP rank, but in the qualifiers it uses the last traded price at the time the strategy is run.

Keith Driscoll

@jonathan-jones said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

Website Down?

Getting this:

https://betfairtradingcommunity.com/oauth2/authorize?response_type=code&client_id=horse_racing_local&scope=basic&state=rbW2!4a&redirect_uri=https://horse-racing-api.betfairtradingcommunity.com/oauth/v1/authorize

Working for me Logout and back in again.

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I have a question on the filter and qualifiers.
So, the filter part is sort of used for 2 reasons. It sets up the criteria for your backtest and its used for giving you a list of qualifiers for the day. What if i have stuff in it thats only available and useful for the backtest? So, for example i have a strategy with favourites and traded rank (I enter at the race start so although they are BSP they are unlikey to change in any meaningful way if at all) but obviously the filter cant use them to give me my list of horses (I would use those criteria at runtime in the automation sorftware).

Do i need to create a seperate filter version with those very specific 'runtime' items removed or does it know which things it cant/cant use for the actual qualifiers filter?

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@adam
Yep. ITs workingnow from all links

Adam

@jonathan-jones said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:

@adam

Think its this:
https://betfairtradingcommunity.com/oauth2/authorize?response_type=code&client_id=horse_racing_local&scope=basic&state=rbW2!4a&redirect_uri=https://horse-racing-api.betfairtradingcommunity.com/oauth/v1/authorize

This is an old link, so somehow your browser is hanging on to the old link! Or the update hadn't pushed through at the time you tried refreshing. Give it another try now.