The BTC Horse Racing Thread
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We've deployed some minor feature upgrades and bug fixes this morning:
Fixed strategy expand / collapse button
Previously, only the first 10 would be expanded / collapsed when the expand/collapse all button was pressed String handling fixes
There were some problems handling special characters like "+" in strategy names and also the "runs" field in history-based rules. These now work correctly Fixed prize value sorting
Sorting by prize value in the results grouping was all over the place. We have fixed this Strategy query performance
We've done a bit of surgery on the database (fixed conflicting indexes etc) that should make lots of strategy queries run much faster Added a toggle to show or ignore qualifiers
The upcoming qualifiers part of your strategy queries is quite intensive. Sometimes you might only want to backtest without seeing upcoming qualifiers. This toggle in the "Tailor Your Results" section of the Betting Rules allows you to run your queries without the qualifiers, which makes them run faster Added icons to the rule list in the strategy builder
Oooo, pretty pictures! Added extra price groupings in results breakdown
We've broken down any price-based groupings into narrower groups for extra detailIf you want to check you have the latest changes, click the Changelog button in the software and make sure you see "10/01/2023" at the top.
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@robert-cooke said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@john-folan same here.
Just failed to match in the 19:00 as well. Shame that as it lost its race. It went off at 2.43. Cest Le vie
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@john-folan same here.
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@andy-donnelly Got you.
I knew it must have been really obvious, I guess i couldn't see the wood for the trees. Kept looking at it and every which way I was certain it must be includes.
Open my eyes a little wider next time. Cheers -
Bot matched 2/2 for me today
@john-folan said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
I shall be laying the favourites in these races 10 seconds before the start time subject to the following conditions:
Number of Runners 4-14.
Odds Between 1.8-2.4.
DSLR: 3-200.Full strategy available here in the pinned post.
https://forum.betfairtradingcommunity.com/topic/3531/horse-racing-shared-strategies-megathread-downloads
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@fraser-cord No problem. The key is the rule group match type above the screenshot you’ve included. It states “none” so the results will not include any favs or second favs in the results
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@andy-donnelly Thanks.
Yeh il look into it, clearly makes sense if its the fav, much higher chance it will win this time which we don't want. I'm currently trialing this strategy using a bot so will need to create a rule to exclude 1st or 2nd fav at time of bet placement.
Can i just confirm that my understanding of the software is correct though. So by having the filter below set, the results are only for Fav and 2nd Fav, its not the results excluding Fav and 2nd fav? Making sure I'm using the filters correctly.
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@andy-harris @Dan-MacKinnon @John-Folan keep us posted of any results as my strategies are ticking over nicely and im intertested to see if a place strategy would work. Keep up the fab work guys :thumbs_up:
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@dan-mackinnon I started looking at this yesterday too, I was noticing that a lot of the members strategy back selections seemed to be placing if they didn’t win and thought there must be an angle to extract more money from these selections
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@john-folan said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@dan-mackinnon said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
Has anyone looked at any place strategies? I see on the software that it has whether it placed in the results but don't think there's an option to use that within the strategy
It’s being added at some point. In the meantime you can download the individual results and use the place bsp to work out if it’s profitable. I was literally doing this yesterday on my pace backs lol
Perfect. Just done that myself.
I just thought as the information is there, why not use it somehow.
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@dan-mackinnon said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
Has anyone looked at any place strategies? I see on the software that it has whether it placed in the results but don't think there's an option to use that within the strategy
It’s being added at some point. In the meantime you can download the individual results and use the place bsp to work out if it’s profitable. I was literally doing this yesterday on my pace backs lol
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Has anyone looked at any place strategies? I see on the software that it has whether it placed in the results but don't think there's an option to use that within the strategy
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I shall be laying the favourites in these races 10 seconds before the start time subject to the following conditions:
Number of Runners 4-14.
Odds Between 1.8-2.4.
DSLR: 3-200.Full strategy available here in the pinned post.
https://forum.betfairtradingcommunity.com/topic/3531/horse-racing-shared-strategies-megathread-downloads
Read the first post on both threads.
Horse Trading Resources
https://forum.betfairtradingcommunity.com/topic/1111/john-s-horse-trading-resourcesBfBotmanager
https://forum.betfairtradingcommunity.com/topic/2915/bfbotmanager-automation-discussion -
@fraser-cord Hi, I commented on this strategy on the other horse racing strategy thread.
The current pre set lay the beaten fav strategy can be confusing. Basically it’s the opposite to what you said, you shouldn’t be backing any favs or second favs. The rule is back all horses not first or second fav that come up in the qualifiers.
The problem with this rule is that favourite ranking changes all the time up to the start of the race and as such you will have different qualifiers that come up just before the race that may not have been there in the morning.
A way around this is to create a duplicate strategy and remove this favourite rule. Then get your qualifiers from that. You can then filter out the horses that end up being first or second fav near the start time of the race.
By doing the above my results have been pretty close to matching the software.
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@martin or anyone in the know - By total chance I have been looking at data on this today. I did notice something unusual. Was hoping I can get clarification.
@panagiotis said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
Hello, guys
I have a question. Are we sure that the software calculate well the results?
Im asking that because on the strategy Lay The beaten Fav today we had 3 trades (2 Wins and 1 loses)
But on the statistics chart the number goes from 9/9 trades to 10/10 trades.Anyone notice this?
When this filter is on (from the default filter of lay beaten fav) this means the software only looks for horses that are Fav or 2nd Fav, is that correct? So it will give all potential selections for tomorrow in upcoming qualifiers (as it cant know who will be fav etc) but will only record results for horses that were in the top 2 on BSP in individual trades that met all other criteria?
Reason im asking, there is no conditions on lay the beaten fav in terms of betting position for the current race (I.e only lay if in top 2 in the betting ), the only conditions are odds range and they were fav last time, is that correct? So should the fav/2nd fav filter be removed?
Also with this filter set (assuming it does only show fav and 2nd fav), im getting individual trades of horses that were definitely not fav or 2nd fav (unfortunately I know as I was burned by them).
Very happy to be corrected so any insight much appreciated
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Not sure what happened with my bot then . It was working ok until now.
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@robert-cooke said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@john-folan hi John . Did your bot get on naas 15.20
My bot report says it didn't satisfy the racing class filter but the BTC software says it was a class 4
ThanksYep it did
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@john-folan hi John . Did your bot get on naas 15.20
My bot report says it didn't satisfy the racing class filter but the BTC software says it was a class 4
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Slim pickings today!
I shall be laying the favourites in these races 10 seconds before the start time subject to the following conditions:Number of Runners 4-14.
Odds Between 1.8-2.4.
DSLR: 3-200.Full strategy available here in the pinned post.
https://forum.betfairtradingcommunity.com/topic/3531/horse-racing-shared-strategies-megathread-downloads
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