John’s Horse Trading Resources
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@Martin said in John’s Horse Trading Resources:
@Tony-Hastie said in John’s Horse Trading Resources:
@John-Folan For what its worth, this is what Ive been working on(by no means finished). I also put the selections through recent class and distance requirements, which I find easier to do manually...
Thanks for sharing this!
When did you start testing it?
2nd November. It’s slower over winter months.
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@Tony-Hastie said in John’s Horse Trading Resources:
@John-Folan For what its worth, this is what Ive been working on(by no means finished). I also put the selections through recent class and distance requirements, which I find easier to do manually...
Thanks for sharing this!
When did you start testing it?
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@Martin I've got bot files for these. I'll sort them out and put them up.
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@John-Folan said in John’s Horse Trading Resources:
@Martin said in John’s Horse Trading Resources:
@John-Folan said in John’s Horse Trading Resources:
@Tony-Hastie These are revised files I got from the software. I took a load of filters out and looked at the odds ranges. Turns out you can dob from a wider range than you can trob.
You are one of a kind @John-Folan thanks for sharing!
My live trading results.
A cheeky two point trob and a one point dob from the only trade today. These do about the same if you back the trob odds range as win only as well
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@Martin said in John’s Horse Trading Resources:
@John-Folan said in John’s Horse Trading Resources:
@Tony-Hastie These are revised files I got from the software. I took a load of filters out and looked at the odds ranges. Turns out you can dob from a wider range than you can trob.
You are one of a kind @John-Folan thanks for sharing!
My live trading results.
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@John-Folan said in John’s Horse Trading Resources:
@Tony-Hastie These are revised files I got from the software. I took a load of filters out and looked at the odds ranges. Turns out you can dob from a wider range than you can trob.
You are one of a kind @John-Folan thanks for sharing!
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@Tony-Hastie said in John’s Horse Trading Resources:
@John-Folan Just tried it out....went pretty well!
Is there an odds range you aim for? I layed a horse at 20(for £2) and went for 5 ticks and bricked it when i saw it go 1 tick the wrong way
Thankfully it bounced back and nearly did it pre race but made me realise Im gonna need to lay the lower odds selections or Ill get too panicky and trade out prematurely! Im good at that, one of the reasons I like bots...
8-20. You will trade out prematurely. I do it all the time. But I don’t enough to make it very profitable.
Nice dob from 14 today. Won its race as well.
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@John-Folan Just tried it out....went pretty well!
Is there an odds range you aim for? I layed a horse at 20(for £2) and went for 5 ticks and bricked it when i saw it go 1 tick the wrong way
Thankfully it bounced back and nearly did it pre race but made me realise Im gonna need to lay the lower odds selections or Ill get too panicky and trade out prematurely! Im good at that, one of the reasons I like bots...
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@Tony-Hastie said in John’s Horse Trading Resources:
@John-Folan For what its worth, this is what Ive been working on(by no means finished). I also put the selections through recent class and distance requirements, which I find easier to do manually...
Thanks mate. Also have a serious look at the dreammaker strategy. It’s a manual trade but it’s fantastic. I normally choose slower paced horses according to btc instead of the proform rankings. Works a charm as long as you trade out when it goes wonky
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@John-Folan For what its worth, this is what Ive been working on(by no means finished). I also put the selections through recent class and distance requirements, which I find easier to do manually...
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@Tony-Hastie said in John’s Horse Trading Resources:
@John-Folan Thanks John, much appreciated. Be interesting to compare to what Ive come up with. Interestingly I never thought to separate the 2! Seems so obvious that would be beneficial now youve said it!
It never occurred to me until I started looking. Results have been ok on the live test. Both hitting the strike rate and return on the software.
I’m testing another couple of methods as well. Will keep the forum updated on those.
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@John-Folan Thanks John, much appreciated. Be interesting to compare to what Ive come up with. Interestingly I never thought to separate the 2! Seems so obvious that would be beneficial now youve said it!
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@Tony-Hastie These are revised files I got from the software. I took a load of filters out and looked at the odds ranges. Turns out you can dob from a wider range than you can trob.
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@Tony-Hastie said in John’s Horse Trading Resources:
@John-Folan Just wondering if you still adhere to the DOB/TROB/Win rules you've setout in the first post...or (thanks to the software) have you moved on?
This thread is too good to be hiding away way down the list!
I have something ever so slightly different. It’s in forward testing at the moment but it’s doing alright. I’ll try and post it later. Basically less filters and slightly different odds ranges for the dobs and trobs. The key is the career dob rate though and to ignore it before 2023 as Covid was still a factor
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@John-Folan Just wondering if you still adhere to the DOB/TROB/Win rules you've setout in the first post...or (thanks to the software) have you moved on?
This thread is to good to be hiding away way down the list!
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@Andrew-Gray said in John’s Horse Trading Resources:
Amazing thanks John for all of your efforts and for sharing so much on here.
"It really hasn't been the same since covid. Was brilliant before that."
Does this mean the TROBs strategy even when using the inrunning trading tool website has not been the same since Covid?
Is it still worth bothering with at the moment then or not?
I am happy to have a look at that inrunning trading tool website to get the selections myself if you think it's still worth the effort - not expecting everything on a plate.
If there is anything else I can help you and Adam with drop me a message!
They’ve not gone back to normal at all even from the IRTT data
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Amazing thanks John for all of your efforts and for sharing so much on here.
"It really hasn't been the same since covid. Was brilliant before that."
Does this mean the TROBs strategy even when using the inrunning trading tool website has not been the same since Covid?
Is it still worth bothering with at the moment then or not?
I am happy to have a look at that inrunning trading tool website to get the selections myself if you think it's still worth the effort - not expecting everything on a plate.
If there is anything else I can help you and Adam with drop me a message!
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@Andrew-Gray said in John’s Horse Trading Resources:
@Adam said in John’s Horse Trading Resources:
@john-folan said in John’s Horse Trading Resources:
Here is a complete list of rules for the Trobs. Most of this should be able to be filtered by our lovely new software when we get it
ALL of this is possible to filter in the software
Hi John
Had a go at recreating the TROB rules in your screen shot into a filter and it's coming up with -5% ROI, and only has 225 trades. Doesn't sound right to me.
Can you or someone have a look at my file and tell me where I'm going wrong, or maybe just provide your own file (or is this not possible and you have to use an external website to get the selections? I notice you mentioned Inform Inrunning trading tool? How is that different/any better than the filters in BTC?)
Cheers in advance
Oh here is the rules export file of my attempt: rules_export.json
I was getting them from the inrunning trading tool website. I've never managed to recreate them properly in the software which is annoying, but I'm not sure how matey had his set up in respect of some of the variables. It really hasn't been the same since covid. Was brilliant before that.
I actually have a theory as to why they can't quite be replicated and i am exploring it with Adam at the moment. I'll let you know if it pans out. (pretty sure it does).
Thanks for bumping this and reminding me to sort it.
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@Adam said in John’s Horse Trading Resources:
@john-folan said in John’s Horse Trading Resources:
Here is a complete list of rules for the Trobs. Most of this should be able to be filtered by our lovely new software when we get it
ALL of this is possible to filter in the software
Hi John
Had a go at recreating the TROB rules in your screen shot into a filter and it's coming up with -5% ROI, and only has 225 trades. Doesn't sound right to me.
Can you or someone have a look at my file and tell me where I'm going wrong, or maybe just provide your own file (or is this not possible and you have to use an external website to get the selections? I notice you mentioned Inform Inrunning trading tool? How is that different/any better than the filters in BTC?)
Cheers in advance
Oh here is the rules export file of my attempt: rules_export.json
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That’s really useful thanks! So you manually exclude any Class 1 and 2 handicap races?
Presumably on the TROBS you get a lower strike rate but obviously it’s a 2/1 bet. What sort of SR would be talking?