The road to full time
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@liam-willis i echo what @Darri has said.
If you were to copy trade anyone, you should make sure it’s from the BTC daily emails. They are constant.
It’s not always possible for me to post every trade
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@paul-keighley good question and i think keith gets this one a lot too. For me personally, i trade LTD/LCS differently. If i believe there is a second half goal ill LCS regardless of the scoreline. LCS is my main strategy. So if its 0-0/0-1/1-0 if they are on my trading plan as scores to lay ill just use LCS/Back overs.
In terms of choosing which one of the LCS market or Back overs im using the overs markets. example its 0-0 and the market has around 20k matched money ill just back the over 0.5 when it hits my odds. If its 0-0 and there isnt much matched and there is a gap between the back and lay price i would lay the same unders because people are more inclined to back and take a price. Really it doesnt matter just a case of getting matched on time.
I would only use the LCS market if im wanting to trade again on the match so if a goal is scored say 64 mins and its the underdog i could then just LCS again. But for me to keep everything simple i just back the overs.
My LTD is a whole different angle and is used late on and often on a game im already matched on with the overs.
The reason i post saying LCS is cause its easier to understand. Its still the same odds just a different market.
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@darri ah got you, i think you are right about reassurance but also getting a view from the outside is important, there are so many of your points that make sense its just sometimes it needs pointing out to make you realise that you are either on the right track or you need to deviate, as i said to martin earlier i love this site and what it does and its people like yourself keith martin and ryan to name just a few that put themselves out for everyone that gives this the real value so thanks again mate
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Just a quick question of you don't mind please Darri.
Was just wondering what makes you decide whether to LTD or LCS if say the game in question is a draw currently? or do you always ltd when scores are level, and lcs when its say 1-0 for example? Also, when would you lcs as opposed to laying the under/backing the over in the next goal market, when you are expecting another goal in a match?
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@liam-willis great to hear that mate, btc in genral excels at this type of thing but only when people get involved can they actually get the advice. I got the feeling from your post that it was reassurance you just needed as you did have a good run before. Hopefully tho there were a few points that helped you. In terms of the 30-40 i was meaning amount of trades/selections. I think once you have traded that amount of matches you get the jist of a strategy and how it works so you can then improve on the negatives/drawbacks in which you can build on your edge over the market. Hope this has helped in any way mate.
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@darri i really appreciate your reply mate that has been a huge help between you and martin today its made me look at things a little bit differently, its not a million miles away from what i already knew but it takes someone to clarify it and make you look at it from a different angle, for instance the not getting on peoples strike rates makes perfect sense but i never thought of it like that. you have certainly gave me a lot to think about and in a way im kinda glad this went public cos there is a lot value in this post for other people. just one thing when you say trade 30-40 what exactly is that, trades, points, money ect.
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@liam-willis fair play for posting this on here mate!
First thing i want to speak about is FOMO. Iv got couple of things here. First following people like me, keith or even btc selections. I cannot discourage anyone from following trades posted by profitable traders but there is one thing that people forget. We dont win them all. What we do have is a strategy that wins over a long stretch of games. So when people nip pick what games they trade from their posts they are at risk of hitting variances. The only way around that is to trade exactly what they trade. Its why iv stopped posting every trade because people will have other commitments then log in here and see 1/2 trades and hop on. From now on im only posting full list of FHGs and my top LCS/LTD selections. Take a look at my strike rate its between 70-80 consistently. So i can be subject to 3-4 games going against me quickly. How would i counter this, your example of using martins LTD selections solely sounds perfect. Your then on the same strike rate as them. Jumping in 1/2 from each trader and our not getting on their TRUE strike rate your essentially gambling that your on one of their winners. I understand why people want to follow me and others but there has to come a time when you start to focus on your own style. If we all traded the same the markets would not move. Its why me, keith and others all trade differently in terms of strategies, times, odds etc. Yet we each find a way to be in profit long term.
The 60 min mark onwards strategy is used to allow time for you to guage how the 2nd half is playing via inplay stats or being able to watch yourself. It also allows for you to enter for 1.4/1.5 odds onwards. Allowing you not to need to be in the high 80% strike rate range. I think ryan did a video with a pro trader called Steve Howe, he spoke about sticking to your rules, using the speed limit example. If a goal goes in before you enter it just didnt qualify move on there are thousands of games to come. Write down your trading plan what time or what odds your getting in at and/or what your exit point is. Do not deviate from it. It builds discipline for trading.
You will have seen and im guessing its why you tried to scale down that i trade far less than the average trader. However look around the forum, keith, charles, john and richard, they arent trading unmanageable amounts of games every day. So in that regard is there something to take note here? Quality picks over quantity. In your situation it was probably more so that its the first time you scaled down and you ended up just picking keiths bad run(rare). Take an example i have 1 game planned for tonight based on the stats its a high chance it wont reach my odds range however if it does i know its a quality pick. Might not win but i know over a number of games this would win.
To really fully answer your question i think you should read the post i posted earlier about stating from scratch. Use the btc daily selections, or follow keiths bank builder selections. Dont nip pick what ones do them all. Once you have done say 30-40 trades you will start to see things you think could be improved ie entering at 60 mins instead. Then follow the other steps.
You identified 3-4 strategies that you traded to get to a healthy bank. I see this too often, because the next step is its now feeling like real money instead of numbers on a screen. This is why i always say stick to One strategy! Master that one before you move to another. I know its a slow process and sometimes there are days were you have zero qualifiers but its like any job you get good/experienced at one thing before you get to move up the ladder. People still have the mindset that trading is a game and its coming from the idea we are still betting. Start treating this a a part time job and use real world examples into it end of the day its actual money instead of virtual cash.
Your staking is fine, remember making 2-3% a week/5-10% a month is not to be laughed at i cnnot stress. So you think about it that way your only really needing to win 3-4 trades a week. Be selective and hone in on a strategy. The bank will start to creep up on you. Its like scalping in theory, your only making 50p or £1 a race but over the course of a week that all adds up quickly. Trading aint a race its why i dont like people showing fast gains or aggressive trading for beginners. I enjoy the ease and simple side of trading and small wins over long time.
So to sum up, id use the guide i posted below, pick a strategy either keiths or btc and stick to 1/2% stakes even if their strategy says otherwise. Trade about 30-40 and make a note on your phone or somewhere about anything you spot, have a quick glance at the stats software and see some of the common stats that pop up for each selection. Make a note, there will be some games you see a negative in and write that down. Maybe track trades using a spreadsheet, find out average goal times etc. Once you have these notes your already starting to develop your own angle and edge. The start again with 1/2% stakes using your own angle and keep up the process.
I set out the guide purely for these kind of questions. Admittedly if we were speaking one to one i wouldnt have generalised the points so i will probably answer it better via message which ill try to get in touch with. But the guide is exactly how i did it, in terms of scrapping all the jargon and getting in detail. I now only trade a couple of ways but they have all been built using the guide i posted below. As a for pre match research sounds like you already starting to include that, but stick at it mate, if you want me to ellaborate on any point ask. Took balls to post that you were having a hard the in first place mate.
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@darri hello mate firstly thanks for all the posts and for taking the time to help people out. i wanted to send this privately but i couldnt work out how lol so maybe some other people can benefit from this. im not sure where to start with this, i started dabbling with trading about a year ago but only seriously in august last year around the time i used this site more regularly. i followed yours and keiths selections with 2- 4 pound stakes on ltd and lcs, i also dabbled with scalping the unders markets. i also look at the match odds markets with backing a fav if they are behind or laying the dog, im pretty good with this so im not so worried about that so much. from august until end of november (i was abroad til end of jan) i turned a £100 bank into £650. i was really happy with that and i thought ok i know what im doing now. since i got back from holiday however im having a nightmare, ive got a £1500 bank and i only stake 0.5- 1 % of that so 7.50 - 15. im not losing a lot but im a bit down at the mo, it seems like a make a bit in the week then lose it all and a bit more on saturdays, sundays are my best day oddly. i analysed what i was doing last week and noticed i was trading far too much 20 trades on a saturday etc. so this week i scaled it down and only did about 5, a couple of my own and a few off the forum, it might just be luck or varience but im hitting losers all the time even keiths selections im on his losers and not on his winners. Now i prefer the 2nd half goal market and the 60 min mark onwards (although ive noticed a bit of fomo and getting in at half time) i always look at inplay stats previous 5-10 games and previous head to heads i was in and around football as player and a manager for 25 years so my knowledge of the game is pretty good. i rarely get a chance to watch games so that might be hindering me although that should change soon. im thinking of just concentrating on martins lay the draw and strip it right back to basics again, basically im asking if you think there is something im doing wrong or something im not looking at properly it just seems strange how its all going wrong at the minute. cheers for any advice mate im working weird hours at mo so ill answer any reply as soon as i can, thanks again.
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If you like the post i put up about what i would do if i was a new trader all over again let me know. I hope that by me showing a step by step of how i would approach a topic helps more easily explain things. As ever if you have any questions sen me a message on here. Been chatting to a few traders recently and enjoyed that side of this community and i hope that continues going forward.
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Unable to trade today just too much going on for when the games on my filter play but got a bit of time now and was just reading through posts by people. Thought id write something up that all advice seems to be drawn towards. I feel as if people are almost selling their own style of trading to people and on looking im one of them. But i absolutely get why. We are trying to get people on board because we are profitable. No point trying to help people or show them your strategy if your struggling yourself. Instead try to look at it as well these guys are profitable, what in their strategy or way of trading makes them profitable. This is the KEY to finding out how you will trade long term.
How would i start from scratch?
If i had a small bank i would most likely either follow one trader who posts consistently or use the BTC selections posted daily. Small stakes. Once iv built enough of a bank start to dabble with low stakes in other markets. Learn how other markets work, how other strategies work and get a feel of what you prefer. Make a list of everything you have tried and tier it based off how you felt executing the trades. Doesnt have to have been a profitable venture at this stage. Now you have a list of your favourite strategies.Whats next?
Select the top strategy on your list. Write down everything you know from your first attempts as to what happens in that market. Does the price spike at certain events. What way does the price move up/down. Once you know the price movements then you can write down at what price would i be comfortable getting in at. So example would be first half goals, if you have an entry point at say 1.5 you are then roughly getting into the market in the first 15 mins of the half. Write all this down so you know on average when your getting in.Make a filter to automate the selections process
BTC stats software is a powerful tool. There arent many others in the industry that are as reliable. In here dont over complicate things. I see people posting filters with every detail. Its as if they are hunting for the perfect trade. Its when you do that kind of thing you end up seeing them trade every game without caring about anything else. INSTEAD start with a couple of the most important stats you believe are key to your strategy. So FHG we need a high stat for teams scoring in the fh. You get the jist. Trade with them for a while. After trading about 10-20 games from it youll start to notice stats that could have been changed to avoid some losers. Start to add that to the filter.MASTER ONE AT A TIME
You now have a strategy with all your entry and exit points, you know what price a market should be at your chosen entries so you can predict value and now you have a filter thats now giving you the games that best suit. Start the bank from scratch. go back to your intial £50/£100 bank. Why? because you wont be emotional about trading stakes with money you can afford to replace. Stick to 1/2% stakes. Listen a strategy that works with 1% is going to perform just as well at 2/3/4. Learn small and then grow to what best improves your trading. I still only ever trade second half games with 2% of my bank. Why? because on a busy weekend you could be involved in a fair amount of games at 1 time having any sizeable amount in the market could lead to panic and not trade efficiently.Onto a winner?
I think any strategy that hits on average 5% growth of the bank is a good strategy. If you can consistently hit that every month with one strategy your able to forecast at what point you can scale up. Thats the main aim really ad i think most newbie traders fail at this. They get a strategy its rises their bank in a huge spike and they get over confident. Your seeing it on the football thread all the time. Suddenly there is a new trader trading and doubling their bank in a week, give it 2 months and somehow they have vanished? They failed to work with a solid platform. Learn to win from small beginnings. I failed by doing this multiple times at the start. Learn to win with a £50/£100 bank it will make you a more disciplined and trained trader for when you then reach £500/£1000 because your trading shouldnt change just because your now staking more. All trading principles should remain consistent.Im consistently profitable and starting to scale?
Do this whole process again with the 2nd strategy that was on your list. You have taken the time to improve 1 strategy that you can rely on to build a bank. Nothing changes start small again put a small amount of your bank you have built towards testing this new one whilst also building your main bank with the mastered strategy.Whats next?
You now have 2 strategies that on average make between 5/10% growth each. So every month your taking home 20% bank growth (better than sitting in your actual bank account) you now just scale them as your bank grows. 2 strategies is easy to manage weekends arent daunting. If you follow my other posts on the football thread about further research your even more streamlined for weekends. From here you can either add another but risk being inefficient by adding too many games or markets to trade. I find the best traders stick to 1/2 core strategies, and maybe have a side account ie using betdaq/smarkets and have that one doing additional trades.20% isnt much?
Look i understand a £100 bank and only making £20 a month isnt huge. But its ingraining good business growth to you. You make 20% of a bank every month that you reset(compounding) by the end of year 1 you would be close to £900. Year 2 would be £8,000. Anyone who have read all the way to this point can now use this and see how to grow properly and now you understand how the pros are making such huge numbers every year. Imagine doing a full year with 20% with a 10k/20k bank. All of which just takes 2 years of self discipline and you too can turn a £100 bank into those numbers.Well done if you reached here. I could have written so much more about each topic but i suppose ill save them for future posts. I honestly hate it when i see other posts saying they have "doubled there bank in a week do this guys" 2 months later they have gone from the forum presumably blown their whole bank. They also then start posting their tips but suddenly they all lose? then go missing and claim to have won all their money back and the cycle resumes? avoid these people guys! Do not laugh at the trader who consistently makes 5/10% profit per month they have the business sown up. They can forecast future trading points. It also helps with home life. If you want to do this long term for example, your trading spikes arent consistent month to month. You cannot predict being able to pay for certain things in the house or holidays because your bank is inconsistent. 5/10/20% every month consistently allows you to do this. It sets you up for the long term. And when the odd month that you smash its a bonus.
People are too quick at trying to get banks to certain levels instead of first focusing on improving the trading process. If you cant trade with a £100 you damn cant with a £10k. Remember keep every step simple dont overwhelm yourself. Even if our losing early doors jot everything down learn from it, why didnt that trade work? what could i have done better? why did i lose on weekends? did i overtrade? did i trade too many games and got overwhelmed? One answer to all that stick to finding one strategy your good at and work from there. Ill never stop saying it.
SIDE NOTE TO END
Iv had a few traders message me in the past 2 weeks saying they listened to my posts, they also messaged asking for advice and they have both just had profitable weeks and weekends. Im not saying im a master or big headed but i do believe in my process and hopefully someone can take it adapt it to their style and make it work. It amazing to hear feedback like this and thats 2 more profitable traders added to the minority of profitable ones. Which only ever adds value to this community. As the cycle now increases of profitable traders on here who can give advice and selections. -
A few losses at the end there was unable at the time to watch the matches. Yes im using that as an excuse! Im unable to trade live tomorrow, shame because iv got a good few selections that would have been on offer. Instead of waiting till monday ill just post this up now to show end of week 1 of march.
Solid start to the month considering these games were traded without being able to watch most of them. I do believe i could have improved on these had i been able to watch. Because of this iv traded more than i wanted to and more than i usually do.
This isnt a detailed run down of whats gone on more so that i have a solid foundation for the next posts to come. Inspiration of how to present these will come over time its just a brief of current outlook. ALL strategies are in profit. Already at the target p/l for the month but wanting to push for them all to be in the 10-20% bracket come the end of month.
Remember stakes are low in my trading. 2% for 2nd half goals and 5% for FHGs. Im not oblivious to the fact a few bad results are round the corner and the fhgs new staking system comes under review but so far all going well.
Some quality threads/blogs going on in this community now and hopefully they all provide the bits of advice/spark traders can improve with. Its fascinating seeing similar blogs/threads to this and we all trade with different stakes, strategies and games. Surely a clever person will take the best bits from all of them and turn into a profitable trader themselves.
More to come probably monday or tuesday. Tuesday is when im back to full time trading but might sneak in a game on monday if there are any games on the filter. 2 weeks left in march before that stupid international break!! Praying scotland can one day/one year qualify whilst i have the chance to go see it.
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Thank guys!
Just so im in a position just to get back to normal with the posts i want to outline how im trading for the next while. Nothing has changed in terms of strategies they are all still running profitable and are all still easy to scale. When i look at a strategy scaling potential is big. No point trying to FHG in a market that has £22 matched in the market.
Im not going to post every trade i enter unlike before. I dont feel people will understand the risk/reward ratios im after. What i will do is post up my FHGs as they are pre match picks. For the 2nd half goals ill only post those that are top priority on my trading plan. Over the last year iv realised that when you post a trade a lot of people follow. When people do that they can often nip pick what game to get involved with and mess up the strike rate. So might start getting on the losing trades. So going forward ill be pre selecting what games to post. I will not be posting my LTD as its a very different style to whats regularly posted on the football thread and is far later in the match. I can see myself posting defensive messages about them if a run goes badly even tho they are my most profitable.
The FHGs are now 5% stakes. Iv had huge success with these and never had a bad run as of yet to discourage from scaling to this. March has seen me running these in the background with a 85% success rate with odds of 1.5 a healthy little profit already and its only week 1. The LCS/LTD are still 2% as your often in a few matches at a time and i dont like having a big portion of my bank in the markets at any one time.
I see people post on here and other forums about showing people risking 10% per trade or close enough to that mark. I dont understand how thats helping anyone who is a beginner or looking to improve. Apart from scalping you should really never be using more than 5%. In my personal opinion anything over 5% and your teetering on gambling. I find it hard to believe that for anyone to be able to lose say 3 in a row and lose 30% of bank in 1 day isnt going to affect them mentally and could easily result in chasing losses, its just bad advice. For people to be trading this way it must come from a gamblers mentality rather than a long term traders mindset which BTC and me are trying to communicate. What I hope to show off is how the steady and consistent wins work long term. This leads to traders able to forecast potential growth rather than huge spikes each direction. Consistency is KEY in this game and with consistency comes skill and experience that you can then use in other markets and increase profits.
What ill then do is when i have had a decent amount of games perhaps weekly ill then post updates similar to before about how iv traded and why. Ill also continue to post the topics that come to mind that i believe helped me on my trading. These seem to get a good response. I hope these give a good insight into how i treat trading and how my thought process works in relation to trading and maybe gives a bit of value to those wanting to learn solid processes for long term growth.
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Top post mate. Love reading everything you put up
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@darri will be great to have you back regularly mate your posts have been a big help to me and lots of others id imagine.
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Just checking in to try keep this thread going. Just wanted to update whats happened and whats to come. Iv been extremely busy since xmas somethings i didnt expect to happen have. Iv setup 2 businesses outside of trading using the profits iv made over the last few years. Iv started a part time role at a company iv been wanting to work for for a good while. Since starting its now not exactly what i thought it would be like. So after my contract is up ill be expecting to pursue these 2 other ventures. In order for the businesses to startup the have required a fair amount of time and effort. They have distracted me from trading,
Whats happening now? As of tuesday next week ill be going back to full time trading after a quick stint at getting a real job. It wasnt a case of money more the opportunity to try something new. Now im returning to what im good at. I think the world is turning to online work and im wanting to be on board. Iv now had a fair amount of time trading and im expecting 2020 to be the biggest year iv had for it.
With the two businesses both online i have the ability to get back to working from home. So this means my trading will be back to normal and ill continue from last years profits. Starting next week ill get back to updating this regularly and stop being so erratic with the updates. Ill start to get involved in some of the threads im passionate about.
Iv been investing in other ventures to make sure i have a steady income regardless of trading. They are passion projects that iv wanted to do for a while and its only because of trading that i can now afford to get them setup. Ill also be documenting on the football index page and maybe sometimes on this thread. I think that platform is going to take off because of the euros and now is a good time to start learning.
As you can tell this is a pretty huge year for myself and i hope posting updates on here are entertaining and informative. The main posts will of course be trading related but as the whole premise is to show people how i became full time ill introduce topics that relate. Hope you all stick to reading these. I love doing posts both on here and on the football thread, passion is something that is lacking from alot of wouldbe traders, not from me and i can talk about it for days.
Iv been humbly surprised by those who have reached out to ask questions and ask for advice in the last year. I actually enjoy teaching/advising far more than actually trading. Its become robotic for me so getting to express help really keeps the fire going for it. I also want to shoutout those that have helped guide me onmy way. Fair enough i havent exactly asked for help but learning from the good and bad trades of others has made me a better trader than i was before i joined. Im hopefully giving that back bit by bit.
Lets smash 2020! See you next week!
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@darri This is a great post, I love threads like these.
There's a cone of learning which talks about retaining information, has anybody seen it? It basically says that by teaching others you will retain more information - which is one of the reasons these threads are so good.
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I can be both. I’m aggressive if it’s 0-0 at HT and watching the match. I’m defensive the higher the lay odds or if I’m looking for a FHG
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@darri good post mate, I often find typing something out as if I am teaching it to others a great way of clarifying my own thoughts.
I’ve only been trading since Xmas and started just like you. I watched a few videos on YouTube (on lay the draw) and went bananas.
I was lucky and made a bit, but was risking 10% of my bank, then I lost one (£80) and brought me to a full stop.
Then I joined BTC started analysing strategies and now am staking 1%-2% on the ones that are giving consistent results.
The plan is to then very slowly increase stakes, to increase profit numbers but maintaining risk/reward.
I think small stakes while you are testing a strategy (and after) are totally fine.
If I find something that gives constant 70% strike rates with consistent odds of 1.50 and above, then I’m set
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Something thats caught my eye recently both on this forum and on social media comments is stake sizes and overall bank management. I did a post very early on in this thread about my bank management ie stakes. Iv actually been tossing and turning a bit with it since thinking about it. There is 2 reasons iv come up with for my inconclusive thoughts on it. I suppose its the nature of trading in that every trader has their own viewpoint either through self taught methods or learning from the pros such as BTC, peter web etc.
**AGGRESSIVE VS DEFENSIVE:
Iv come to know over the past 2 years that im very much a defensive minded trader. I started off very aggressive and made a good profit, but stakes started to rise and with it i started to feel uneasy about the stakes in comparison to my bank. I would say i was putting on anything between 5%-20%. Obviously the upper limits were risky on reflection and definitely now see the luck i had with some runs. It was sort of hitting money i had never had before that made me stop all that. I remember putting on a four figure amount and realising thats almost a months wage to someone who is full time on minimum wage, something i was on at the time. Im glad i halted my tracks there and ever since iv almost come to another extreme in that now im questioning if im too defensive. Typically on FHGs and laying the winning team i use 1% of bank and for SHGs 2% and iv posted these results on here for almost a year now. But here is the thing are my staking plans too small? Is this too defensive and im not getting the most out of what im doing. For the last 6 months iv been very comfortable with what i do. But iv recently looked at people doing backs of 5%. Look 5% isnt that much but my understanding is that is relatively aggressive and double what i stake right now. Just wanting to see how others approach staking. WHAT ARE YOUR STAKE SIZES? ARE YOU DEFENSIVE OR AGGRESSIVE?**STRIKE RATE - STAKES:
I think looking through alot of the main strategies from both the forum and my own typically we are all looking for strats that hit a minimum strike rate of 70% onwards. These seem to be the most common strategies people use. When you think about it like that it would be very rare for a losing run to be higher than 6. So if using a 5% stake your at most risking 30%. For me personally that seems rather high. When looking to strats and stakes i always prefer to think about what is the worst that could happen. Here is the tricky part, when you try to generalise people trading you tend to miss out vital parts. So take for example those that LTD at HT and then me for example who gets in at around 60 mins. The strike rates for both are different. This is where i believe stakes are most important to understand. At 5% on a HT LTD your expecting high strike rates in order to get as good a return as someone who enters at 60 mins. Therefore more trades and a better strike rate. This is where i think higher staking is fine because although your trading for less return your risk is lower. My reasoning for the past 8 months using only 2% for SHGs has simply been because 1 you get losing runs and 2 because those losing runs could mentally hit you.I think as i wrote this i answered my own question and with that its the whole purpose of why i started this thread in the first place. Somewhere where i could write down my thoughts out loud and see how others reacted. Bouyed by the success of others recently it makes you look at your own trading and has often been a confidence thing with me. Seeing others take strides is fantastic especially if you learn something from them. But what i have come to realise is im actually doing just fine. Iv been hitting every target iv set, iv improved and im less prone to jump on board with what others are doing. Maybe this will be a post look back at in a few months time having increased my stake sizes to 5% but really slow and steady gains are just as good. When i do these analysing days of my trading i try not to compare. Its bloody difficult. But instead of moaning at others success im actually chuffed for them and furthermore its even more of an incentive that this is actually a viable path and trading can be done profitably.
Big post and alot of waffle. I wont edit it down its come off the top of my head and just what im thinking about at this moment. Please comment about stakes sizes and thoughts on trading right now. Its not just a selfish thread this, i would like it to be something people can both help me with and themselves.
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@darri oh nice one mate
