Food/Diet and training hobbies
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@stuart-capstick Dekkers was unreal, had to switch his fighting side totally at the end of his career cos he broke his foot on other people so much. Downside to kicks i guess, McGregor said the same sort of thing after the 2nd fight with Diaz. I love watching Cruz, such a unique style, looks awful yet he makes it work so well. Probably his last fight this weekend though.
Did some of that sort of thing at various self defence seminars I went to so know what you mean about it being a bit diff to the 2nd Dan TKD stuff. What association are you with? I only fought 2 opponents on my 2nd Dan, it was a long time ago though.
Running from or avoiding a REAL fight situation is ALWAYS the best thing, I totally agree there.
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Dekkers was amazing. I'd also recommend watching Lomachenko: unbelievable. From MMA, you could do far worse than watching Dominic Cruz, McGregor or Anderson Silva. All superb strikers and with wonderful movement.
Krav Maga- more pure self defence, not much artistry. Really good for those of us who get a little big-headed..like me..
Typical activity- get spun round a few times and attacked by four people. You wear some body armour but survival is the name of the game here.
Some martial arts train multiple attacking (for my taekwondo second Dan I had to fight against three opponents, but I knew they weren't going to jump on my head. They'd hurt or even KO you if you let them but it was far removed from a real confrontation. Krav Maga- does, if nothing else, confirm that running away/conflict avoidance is best. -
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@Stuart-CapstickAgree with both of you here. Instructor and club attitude is everything in terms of safety and quality of training/learning.
MMA didnt really take off until I was all but finished with martial arts. I would have loved to try multi-discipline sparring. Im a striker at heart too but just really love the technical chess like aspect of BJJ and can also appreciate good wrestling (not WWF stuff, although that used to be entertaining in its own way).
If you want to see some good technical striking stuff, watch Ramon Dekkers, watch and listen to Bas Rutten, also Ernesto Hoost. Bas has a fantastic attitude to learning and makes things sound so simple.
I would say to both of you to GO FOR IT if you want to learn new stuff. Biggest regret I have is not being able to train in martial arts anymore.
@Dan-MacKinnon Wing chun is and odd one, although I would include all styles of Gung Fu here. It is stunning to watch a master perform it. However I've never been convinced by its practical application and to be useful I think you have to be REALLY good at it and have studied it for years.
@Stuart-Capstick What was/is Krav Maga like, that was also something I wanted to try out.
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@stuart-capstick I 100% agree. If you can get a good trainer who knows what they're doing then it doesn't matter what martial art you do. Not to sound arrogant but that's why Wing Chun didn't work for me because the classes were aimed too much at beginners. They didn't really do sparring and when they did it was non-contact. As we both know, you're more likely to injure yourself if you are trying to avoid hitting someone. Whereas like you said some MMA classes are the opposite and just people wanting to fight without any respect to their opponent.
I love the discipline and technical side of martial arts. My girlfriend says I tend to get "obsessed" with something and when I was learning kickboxing I could happily repeat the same move over and over again until I had it perfect. I do regret not trying to get a higher belt but at the time I was a poor student and classes plus grading was too expensive.
I prefer striking but can't really be turning up to work looking like I've joined Fight Club! Even with full protection it's easy to make a silly mistake and end up with a black eye. My first ever sparring session I ended up with cutting my eyebrow open because my opponents foot guard slipped down.
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I once went to a traditional ju juitsu class: awful. Really sloppy kicks and punches. The holds and locks were completely unrealistic. Maybe it was just a bad example.
Heard very good things about Judo clubs. Live sparring and it's very difficult to get a black belt, which to me is a good sign. Brazilian ju juitsu is much the same.
I've been to a couple of MMA clubs and found the quality to be very variable. Some just want fresh meat for "their" fighters to injure. Others are clueless and teaching a dangerous sense of invulnerability to their students. The best ones are where the teachers are already masters in another art, e.g BJJ black belts already, or Muay Thai proficient.
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@stuart-capstick I did kickboxing for 5 years but had to stop due to other commitments. I’ve wanted to get back into martial arts and tried Wing Chun but it wasn’t really for me. Just before Covid I was looking at doing a grappling one rather than striking (mostly because of work). I’ve continued to stay fit but miss the discipline of martial arts.
@Matt-Wood is another former kickboxer
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@Stuart-Capstick What martial arts do you do?
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@lee-woodman
I should have explained better.
With intervals the idea is that you run each of them at the same speed. To allow that you rest for, say, 2 minutes between each.
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1 speed session (best for me was 5x1k as I needed speed endurance as opposed to speed) at 20 secs per mile faster than race pace (5k 20 mins is 6:26 per mile or 4 min per kilometer, so the session was at 6:10 ish or 3:45 ish)
When you say 5x1K, excuse me if its a stupid question, but how do you split it up? Do you do 1k then rest, 2nd 1k then rest again etc or 1k at XYZ pace followed by 1k at a much slower pace then back to the 2nd 1k at the quicker pace and so on?
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@stuart-capstick Like I said I did 5k the other day after not running for months (and probably 4 or 5 runs in the last year) and it felt a comfortable but quick pace. I never normally time myself, I just happened to clock the time I left and time I returned. I know I can go faster and for longer with a bit of structure to training so will put in place what you did.
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@lee-woodman
You're right about marathons. Massive time commitment if you want to actually run it. You need a couple (well, more, actually) of 20 mile runs; a time commitment of 3-4 hours, in addition to a load of 10 mile runs.
Done one marathon. Enjoyed the actual race, but the training got to be a pain.
Just listen to your body. I found the fast sessions to be fine/enjoyable even, the tempo runs felt like they were giving me the most benefit, but probably the long runs were the key ones.
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@stuart-capstick Cheers, sounds like what you’ve suggested isn’t too dissimilar to what I had in mind just with a few ‘tried and tested’ tweaks. I toyed with the idea of just increasing my overall endurance and maybe work up to marathon distance but it’s quite a big time commitment really; finding time for a 30 minute fast run isn’t too difficult. I’ll put what you suggested into my plan and see how I get on, I know 40mins is a push so increasing my speed endurance is the main factor. I could run the pace no problem OR I could run the distance but not yet both
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@lee-woodman
I used to run a fair bit before I realised I'm not talented enough to run, do martial arts and play badminton at a decent level. So, running now is purely for conditioning.
I hit the sub 20 5k and sub 1:30 half marathon quite a few times. Just managed a sub 40 10k (PB 39:55).
What worked for me was something like this:1 tempo run- 4-5 miles at about half marathon pace or a little faster
1 speed session (best for me was 5x1k as I needed speed endurance as opposed to speed) at 20 secs per mile faster than race pace (5k 20 mins is 6:26 per mile or 4 min per kilometer, so the session was at 6:10 ish or 3:45 ish)
Running up hills- find a steep hill or set of steps and do 15 reps (I still do this- perfect for the "rubber legs" feeling)
A long run of 90 mins- any pace you likeJust a question of what you find best.
Sub 20 5k is just eyeballs out as fast as you can.
Sub 40 10k, for me at least, was down to fine timing of every kilometre (start slower and pick it up worked best for me) , discipline and pain management. Easily harder, for me at least, than sub 20 5k or even half marathon sub 1:30. -
Went for my first run in months last week, only did 5k but i went out quite fast and managed to keep my pace up to finish in a tad over 26 minutes. I’m going to follow an actual program as I’ve only ever casually run, hopefully I can push myself to hit a 20:00 5k and then after that a 40:00 10k. I’m thinking the following (the days will vary dependent on schedule but will likely be 3 day per week):
Day 1 - Longer run - Slow pace, increase weekly upto a max of 12km
Day 3 - Fartlek - About 4km - Pace/intensity can be increased/decreased as necessary
Day 5 - Tempo run - This is to establish the required pace. Maybe 5km total - 1km slower pace, 1km at required target pace, 1km slower, 1k target pace, 1km slower. The ratios can be adjusted so I’m training at race pace for longer periods
I’m very active at work anyway (usually do 17000 steps per day at work walking/light running). I’d be interested in any suggestions on the schedule, I’ve never gone beyond ‘run further than last time’ but would like to get sub 40 minute 10k
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@matt-wood said in Food/Diet and training hobbies:
@ryan-carruthers I had two of my discs burst (herniate) their jelly innards onto my spinal column. The surgeon had to cut the sticky jelly stuff out of the disc and pick it off the nerves. End result is constant pain (MUCH less than I was in though) and a disc with a whole in it. Consultant described it to me as an open tube of toothpaste, it will be fine if I'm careful, be stupid and and it will be as if someone squeezes that tube, meaning I would need the same surgery again.
Im lucky really, could have been much, much worse so I am grateful even if I moan about it at times lol. Just means I cannot do anything where I hold myself in a bent over position...(keep it clean!) Lookin at you @John-Folan
Cant do deadlifts or squats but most other things I am fine with. Wouldnt be able to do a bunjee or parachute jump, but as if I would anyway!
I love sprint work, its fantastic for posterior chain and really quick to finish a workout. Just have to watch out for those hammies
Cant go wrong with Mr Orton, serious runner that!
Whatever do you mean?
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@ryan-carruthers I had two of my discs burst (herniate) their jelly innards onto my spinal column. The surgeon had to cut the sticky jelly stuff out of the disc and pick it off the nerves. End result is constant pain (MUCH less than I was in though) and a disc with a hole in it. Consultant described it to me as an open tube of toothpaste, it will be fine if I'm careful, be stupid and and it will be as if someone squeezes that tube, meaning I would need the same surgery again.
Im lucky really, could have been much, much worse so I am grateful even if I moan about it at times lol. Just means I cannot do anything where I hold myself in a bent over position...(keep it clean!) Lookin at you @John-Folan
Cant do deadlifts or squats but most other things I am fine with. Wouldnt be able to do a bunjee or parachute jump, but as if I would anyway!
I love sprint work, its fantastic for posterior chain and really quick to finish a workout. Just have to watch out for those hammies
Cant go wrong with Mr Orton, serious runner that!
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@ryan-carruthers Yea had surgery on mine at 32 so I should know better
Was walking the dogs in the woods, some uphill, also had a weighted backpack on so should have expected it really Proper dumbass at times
Your distance will come with the consistency you are putting in, that is the easy part really.
Have you ever tried putting in the odd session of sprints, up a slight hill if you can, massively helps with posterior chain strength. Only needs to be 20 mins.
Be warmed up properly if you try it and maybe not go 100% for the first few times until you get a 'feel' for how your muscles react.
Jeff has done a good sprinting vid here:
I would probably add to this to go for a walk straight after, maybe 20-30mins. Then stretch out all the posterior chain muscles when you get back.