Horse Software Questions/Idea Thread
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@Adam said in Horse Software Questions/Idea Thread:
@John-Folan : It's possible to calculate an "actual" going after the race based on a going allowance, but it wouldn't be much use for backtesting anything as you wouldn't know it before the race.
Effectively the going value we use is the "predicted" one, or at least it's the "current" going and is updated as the ground changes in advance of the race.
What would be the benefit of predicting the going in advance and then not correcting it as the conditions become clearer? How long before the race should it be predicted and why then?
That’s interesting that yours updates. BFBM’s doesn’t. Which is annoying and something I have raised with them. I wasn’t sure if yours used actual or predicted so thank you for clearing that up
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@John-Folan : It's possible to calculate an "actual" going after the race based on a going allowance, but it wouldn't be much use for backtesting anything as you wouldn't know it before the race.
Effectively the going value we use is the "predicted" one, or at least it's the "current" going and is updated as the ground changes in advance of the race.
What would be the benefit of predicting the going in advance and then not correcting it as the conditions become clearer? How long before the race should it be predicted and why then?
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@Adam would it be possible to have two metrics for the going? Predicted and actual? Predicted would probably be more useful to us and what we are trying to achieve. I know. Bfbm uses predicted and it doesnt change as the day goes on.
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@Greg-Mitchell Create a scope rule based on finishing position and put it in a rule group with the going rule, and make sure you tick the "inherit restrictions" box.
The inherit option pulls the other rules from the group into the scope rule, so the following example means "going of current race is "heavy" and horse won last time out on heavy ground":
Without the inherit option ticked, it would mean "going of current race is heavy and horse won last time out".
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@Greg-Mitchell said in Horse Software Support/Idea Thread:
Been trying to get my head around creating a filter which identifies horses that have won on various goings compared to what they are going to be running on..
So for example it would pick up horses that had won on heavy going if the going is actually to be heavy on the day.
I don’t think this possible, but might just be being thick..
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Been trying to get my head around creating a filter which identifies horses that have won on various goings compared to what they are going to be running on..
So for example it would pick up horses that had won on heavy going if the going is actually to be heavy on the day.
I don’t think this possible, but might just be being thick..
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@John-Folan said in Horse Software Support/Idea Thread:
@Adam I wouldn’t say support for problems. More questions about the software and its workings. The answers to which would be handy for everyone as per my pace question.
Sounds good, maybe "Horse Software Questions/Ideas Thread then
Expected pace letter. Or just assign a grouping so 10/12 is led. 6/8 is prominent and 2/4 is held up?
Yeah this was what I was going to say if you meant a letter for each runner... it will basically be the same as filtering on different pace rating groupings. So we could just create an alternative rule that assigns a letter instead of the numeric rating.
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@Adam I wouldn’t say support for problems. More questions about the software and its workings. The answers to which would be handy for everyone as per my pace question.
Expected pace letter. Or just assign a grouping so 10/12 is led. 6/8 is prominent and 2/4 is held up?
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I think an ideas thread is a good...err...idea. Tech support requests really need to go through the published support button in the software though.
It's the best way to guarantee your issue won't get lost amongst the discussion on here, and I check the support inbox way more often than I check the forum. In fact I get a Slack alert on an urgent channel whenever a support ticket appears in Asana.
Even with ideas / feature requests, I'll probably end up saying "please submit this in the software", but it will be good for everyone to have the opportunity to discuss them here first. Then once we decide to go ahead with them, we can add them to Asana to be scheduled.
@John-Folan said in Horse Software Support/Idea Thread:
with results when we look at the breakdown under pace rating is that then the pace rating incorporating how it ran in that race or is the breakdown still based on that expected pace rating
Yes, the pace rating is always the expected rating based on the horse's last 3 races before the current one. We don't update it after the race has run as that would prevent you from being able to use it effectively in the backtesting.
@John-Folan said in Horse Software Support/Idea Thread:
how easy would it be to assign an expected pace letter to each race based on the previous runs?
Did you mean to each runner, or are you thinking of assigning a letter to the overall race, like a pace expectation for the whole race based on the pace styles of the runners in that race?
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@John-Folan Thats a good question, I always assumed it was the Pace Rating it achieved in that actual race.
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I have a bit of a stupid/not stupid question that I hope will make sense. I know what I mean I just hope I can get that to come across. It involves pace ratings.
So I know we get an expected pace rating for that specific race based on previous runs and when we run the strategy the upcoming selections are based on the expected pace rating as mentioned. But with results when we look at the breakdown under pace rating is that then the pace rating incorporating how it ran in that race or is the breakdown still based on that expected pace rating? I’m pretty sure it is still based on the pace rating that is expected rather than actual incorporating that race. (I actually like the term expected). If that is the case then how easy would it be to assign an expected pace letter to each race based on the previous runs? I’m trying to look at ways to give us more ratings to use as I think there is untapped potential there. It’s probably why we need a speed rating. Also might be fun then to assign a “BTC Rating” to a horse combing your form plus a speed rating. Long term ideas I know but more stuff to think about.