The BTC Horse Racing Thread
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A couple of weeks ago Martin did a video review on the strategies in the presets over December. It got me thinking. If you traded ALL of them would having the mix of backs and lays along with potentially different back selections on the same race etc smooth out the drawdowns?
So, downloaded all of the individual results for all of them to analyze race by race, day by day and month by month. Its a bit of a mixed bag really. Good points being you would have no losing months so far but rather than smoth out the drawdown it makes it much worse. Starting with a 100 bank and £1 even stakes the worse you would get from any of those individually is 13. something % (there is another around 12% too. Running them all together would give you over 25% drawdown. If you decided to compund at 1% you would have almost 38% drawdown. Not good. Though on the plus side if you did have £100 to throw at it then you would be around £1000 stakes in 5 months (guessing thats probably the max you could realistically expect to get on.
On a day by day basis:
Your biggest loss day would see you losing 31.55 points.
Your biggest winning day would see you winning 58.76 points
your average daily take would be 4.61 points.Just thought it was an interesting bit of work. Going to look into the strats a bit deeper and see if i can get optimised combinations for reduced drawdown etc.
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I shall be laying the favourites in these races 10 seconds before the start time subject to the following conditions:
Number of Runners 4-14.
Odds Between 1.8-2.4.
DSLR: 3-200.Full strategy available here in the pinned post.
https://forum.betfairtradingcommunity.com/topic/3531/horse-racing-shared-strategies-megathread-downloads
Read the first post on both threads.
Horse Trading Resources
https://forum.betfairtradingcommunity.com/topic/1111/john-s-horse-trading-resourcesBfBotmanager
https://forum.betfairtradingcommunity.com/topic/2915/bfbotmanager-automation-discussion -
@andy-lucy said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
Was there an email out today? I’m not sure if emails playing up or if wasn’t one
i didnt get a racing one today (but did get footy)
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@chris-osborne said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@andy-lucy Been over two weeks since I had either of the daily emails there so unreliable, I'd use the filters
They are sent to everyone on the list every day. Chris can you PM me your email address and I will check you are on the list. Thanks
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@andy-lucy Been over two weeks since I had either of the daily emails there so unreliable, I'd use the filters
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@greg-mitchell said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@david-blake You can use DLSR in BF Bot Manager. I have just switched to BFBM from Bet Angel, nothing wrong with Bet Angel, but I am finding it much easier to use for automation and tracking P & L, Banks etc etc.
Bet Angel is amazing for speed. BFBM for the conditions and bank roll management. I’ve just dumped geeks toy for manual scalping and gone back to bet angel for that as it gives me the Guardian feature as well so I can take advantage of that for certain things. Wish I could get my head round all his signal and stored value crap but that’s what I’ve got BFBM for. Combined with the software that Adam’s developed and depending on how price sensitive the strategy is it’s definitely (in my opinion) the better option. Plus for football it will be absolutely perfect when the soccer 2.0 software is released. Speed not so much of the essence there at all.(20ms bet angel, 300ms BFBM).
I’m still talking to BFBM over email about adding exchange streaming as an option and that will make this a moot point anyway. I think they are listening to me.
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@fraser-cord said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@john-folan Cheers as always. Been doing this for a week now, my selections have pretty much matched yours and the software which is encouraging. Fingers crossed for a wee rebound, last couple of days have been disappointing.
Out of interest do you not do this on a sat?
No. It is profitable but much less so. I’m probably being fussy.
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@john-folan Cheers as always. Been doing this for a week now, my selections have pretty much matched yours and the software which is encouraging. Fingers crossed for a wee rebound, last couple of days have been disappointing.
Out of interest do you not do this on a sat?
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@david-blake said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@john-folan
hello John , very new here. Sorry to ask but the lay strategy you post everyday, is that the same strategy as the lay at short odds listed in the strategies page?
I’m just trying to understand how you choose your selections because on the software the it show’s specific horses to lay? Sorry for the noobie question.Sorry mate, been a bit under the weather. Yes its the same. The software will throw up the CURRENT favourite. I've got my bot set up to lay the favourite near the off without it being a specifically named horse.
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I shall be laying the favourites in these races 10 seconds before the start time subject to the following conditions:
Number of Runners 4-14.
Odds Between 1.8-2.4.
DSLR: 3-200.Full strategy available here in the pinned post.
https://forum.betfairtradingcommunity.com/topic/3531/horse-racing-shared-strategies-megathread-downloads
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@david-blake You can use DLSR in BF Bot Manager. I have just switched to BFBM from Bet Angel, nothing wrong with Bet Angel, but I am finding it much easier to use for automation and tracking P & L, Banks etc etc.
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@gary-tunnicliffe said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@gary-tunnicliffe said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@david-blake said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@neal-simmonds well I noticed there are multiple horses per race so wasn’t sure. Also if you just picked the favourite would that not sometimes break the DSLR rule? I’m trying to use bet angel to automate this but that was the last sticking point I cannot work out.
you can display additional information on the bet angel oneclick screen including dslr, so would suspect you could used that as a stored value to measure against - (dont askme how)
custom coloums > additional information
Can’t work out how to do that with my custom columns. Support got back to me, you can’t use dslr in the rules but it will be in the next update
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@gary-tunnicliffe said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@david-blake said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@neal-simmonds well I noticed there are multiple horses per race so wasn’t sure. Also if you just picked the favourite would that not sometimes break the DSLR rule? I’m trying to use bet angel to automate this but that was the last sticking point I cannot work out.
you can display additional information on the bet angel oneclick screen including dslr, so would suspect you could used that as a stored value to measure against - (dont askme how)
custom coloums > additional information
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@gary-tunnicliffe said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@david-blake said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@neal-simmonds well I noticed there are multiple horses per race so wasn’t sure. Also if you just picked the favourite would that not sometimes break the DSLR rule? I’m trying to use bet angel to automate this but that was the last sticking point I cannot work out.
you can display additional information on the bet angel oneclick screen including dslr, so would suspect you could used that as a stored value to measure against - (dont askme how)
I was thinking about that. I didnt know you could display dslr on BA. Maybe there is a way to add that into the rules? I might contact BA support, see what they say.
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@david-blake said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@neal-simmonds well I noticed there are multiple horses per race so wasn’t sure. Also if you just picked the favourite would that not sometimes break the DSLR rule? I’m trying to use bet angel to automate this but that was the last sticking point I cannot work out.
you can display additional information on the bet angel oneclick screen including dslr, so would suspect you could used that as a stored value to measure against - (dont askme how)
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@david-blake So I'm currently trying out Fairbot, & I'm having to manually limit a race on certain conditions that the software wont let me create a rule about.
However, John does always point out that the selections must meet with the conditions, if the conditions aren't met then it's a no bet!
You cant make the foot, fit the shoe!
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@neal-simmonds well I noticed there are multiple horses per race so wasn’t sure. Also if you just picked the favourite would that not sometimes break the DSLR rule? I’m trying to use bet angel to automate this but that was the last sticking point I cannot work out.
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@david-blake
Don't quote me David but I think it shows a named horse when that horse is the current favourite I.E. Its the Favourite right now but it might not be the favourite by the time the race goes off?
