The BTC Horse Racing Thread
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I just do them on whatever strategy they are on. It’s either that or don’t touch them at all. Easiest way to deal with them. This keeps it simple.
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@greg-mitchell said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@dan-mackinnon said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@greg-mitchell good point. I download all my selections for the day and then sort them by time and then by course so I can see what horses qualify. If there is a conflict I would want to see if both qualify, if they do then I would probably avoid both trades. I doubt it'll happen very often so probably safe to avoid them both.
In this case, I've had a quick look and Chica Power is currently around 9.8 to back. I doubt it'll come in enough to qualify for the C&D trade so probably safe to discount it.
But would you also discount it from Martins Pace Lays, because the odds are within the criteria for that?
If it was me, I would still go with Martin's Pace Lays because it qualifies and the other strategy doesn't conflict with it. If we get to 14.20 and Chica Power now qualifies for C&D I'll discount them both because something has obviously happened. The way I see it is that it doesn't qualify for my C&D winners, therefore, I'm not looking at it to win and that shouldn't come into my consideration.
That is just my thought process but you'll know yourself better. Also, the C&D is more of an experiment so I would always go with whatever strategy you feel most confident in.
It'll be typical now if Chica Power doesn't qualify for C&D but wins anyway!
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@dan-mackinnon said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@greg-mitchell good point. I download all my selections for the day and then sort them by time and then by course so I can see what horses qualify. If there is a conflict I would want to see if both qualify, if they do then I would probably avoid both trades. I doubt it'll happen very often so probably safe to avoid them both.
In this case, I've had a quick look and Chica Power is currently around 9.8 to back. I doubt it'll come in enough to qualify for the C&D trade so probably safe to discount it.
But would you also discount it from Martins Pace Lays, because the odds are within the criteria for that?
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@greg-mitchell good point. I download all my selections for the day and then sort them by time and then by course so I can see what horses qualify. If there is a conflict I would want to see if both qualify, if they do then I would probably avoid both trades. I doubt it'll happen very often so probably safe to avoid them both.
In this case, I've had a quick look and Chica Power is currently around 9.8 to back. I doubt it'll come in enough to qualify for the C&D trade so probably safe to discount it.
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@dan-mackinnon Interesting, just raised a thought in my head, but wondering how many of you using multiple strategies use conflicting ones to remove selections, so for example, your first selection on the C & D strategy (Chica Power), is also picked out by Martins Pace Lays.
I have several horse racing strategies, I am not trading them all, but use them to validate the strategies that I am trading, so in the above example I would just ignore this horse and not back it or lay it.
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@dan-mackinnon I’m loving the change you’ve made matey, too work.
4 star strategy too!
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@dan-mackinnon following with interest!
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As promised, my C&D winners.
Rules:
- Back if odds are between 2 and 7
- Aim to get as close to race off as possible
- I will be using £1 stakes and my results will be based on that
30/11/2022 14:30 Dundalk Chica Power
30/11/2022 15:00 Dundalk Maestro Stick
30/11/2022 16:00 Dundalk No Speed Limit
30/11/2022 16:15 Kempton Spring Glow
30/11/2022 17:15 Kempton Free Step
30/11/2022 17:30 Dundalk Turf RangeI'll check again later but right now the markets haven't formed so no point entering or looking at odds just yet.
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-0.42 points today for me
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@dan-mackinnon I like the fact this is solid even without course filtering! good strategy!
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@martin said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@john-folan said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
I did build one based on dob stats. But I reckon we need something that targets the 2-15 odds range for liquidity purposes.
2 not too short on a dob? needs to win obviously
Yeah it is and they normally do to be fair. May as well take the free money. I used to target higher but was missing trades
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@john-folan said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
I did build one based on dob stats. But I reckon we need something that targets the 2-15 odds range for liquidity purposes.
2 not too short on a dob? needs to win obviously
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I've had a bit of a mess around with C&D winners. I know a few people were asking for something that you can use without bots and I think this might be as close to a set and forget as you can get with horse racing. The biggest downside is that it is still reliant on odds and they will move closer to the off.
My strategy is to back the horse which has won C&D as long as it's between 2.0 to 7.0 ideally 10 minutes before the race start.
I've done the usual and filtered class, race type and courses. I've also filtered so it's in the top 3 but that's not essential. Based on £100 bank with £1 bets these are my results
The strategy is here: 0_1669723580193_rules_export C&D winners.json
I'm going to trade this alongside the software and will post the daily selections here. In all honesty, this is a new strategy and there are some long losing streaks, however, it should be a good indication of what the software can do, how to trade horses without bots, and be a good example for people to ask questions. I'll be as transparent as possible.
If you do want to follow along, just remember the software is there to BACKTEST strategies, it's not a tipping service. To set possible expectations, if we had used £1 stakes since the start of September it would return £17. September would have lost £2, October won £19 and November break even. There was also a losing run of 15 trades.
Now that's all out the way let's go going!... oh wait. There's no selections today
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I did build one based on dob stats. But I reckon we need something that targets the 2-15 odds range for liquidity purposes.
Read the first post on both threads.
Horse Trading Resources
https://forum.betfairtradingcommunity.com/topic/1111/john-s-horse-trading-resourcesBfBotmanager
https://forum.betfairtradingcommunity.com/topic/2915/bfbotmanager-automation-discussion -
@john-folan said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@martin said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@john-folan said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
My flat pace is having a storming month. Really need to look at those and how to reduce the variance. The LLR can be testing.
Horse strategies are flying at the moment, think I need to do an update next couple of weeks. Which strategies do you suggest adding? Also going to develop some Dob and Trob ones myself!
That's what's needed to be honest. I've found a couple but never enough selections. We need the speed ratings. I know Adam will get there. Be interesting to see what difference his new additions make.
id love to see speed ratings added, then can start to look at DOBs and L2B
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@nick-allan said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@martin said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@john-folan said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
My flat pace is having a storming month. Really need to look at those and how to reduce the variance. The LLR can be testing.
Horse strategies are flying at the moment, think I need to do an update next couple of weeks. Which strategies do you suggest adding? Also going to develop some Dob and Trob ones myself!
Can i request that any strategies that go out come with some small instructions, dont have to be massive just like john has indicated below:
Number of Runners 4-14.
Odds Between 1.8-2.4.
DSLR: 3-200.It's easy done. Then you can just copy and paste into the next days selections etc.
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@martin said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@john-folan said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
My flat pace is having a storming month. Really need to look at those and how to reduce the variance. The LLR can be testing.
Horse strategies are flying at the moment, think I need to do an update next couple of weeks. Which strategies do you suggest adding? Also going to develop some Dob and Trob ones myself!
That's what's needed to be honest. I've found a couple but never enough selections. We need the speed ratings. I know Adam will get there. Be interesting to see what difference his new additions make.
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@martin said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
@john-folan said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
My flat pace is having a storming month. Really need to look at those and how to reduce the variance. The LLR can be testing.
Horse strategies are flying at the moment, think I need to do an update next couple of weeks. Which strategies do you suggest adding? Also going to develop some Dob and Trob ones myself!
Can i request that any strategies that go out come with some small instructions, dont have to be massive just like john has indicated below:
Number of Runners 4-14.
Odds Between 1.8-2.4.
DSLR: 3-200. -
@john-folan said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
Short Odds Lays
I shall be laying the favourites in these races 10 seconds before the start time subject to the following conditions:
Number of Runners 4-14.
Odds Between 1.8-2.4.
DSLR: 3-200.Full strategy available here in the pinned post.
https://forum.betfairtradingcommunity.com/topic/3531/horse-racing-shared-strategies-megathread-downloads
My short odds are for Wolverhampton and Punchestown. I might have a look at the no of runners and DSLR to see if that makes a difference
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@john-folan said in The BTC Horse Racing Thread:
My flat pace is having a storming month. Really need to look at those and how to reduce the variance. The LLR can be testing.
Horse strategies are flying at the moment, think I need to do an update next couple of weeks. Which strategies do you suggest adding? Also going to develop some Dob and Trob ones myself!
